Talk:menopause journey

RFD discussion: June 2019
Definition:
 * 1) refers to the time from a woman's reproductive system begins to slow down sometime in her late 30's to early 40's until her body adjusts to the hormonal changes sometime after her periods has stopped (typically 3 - 6 years).

We don't have a definition for it yet, but journey can refer to the sum of what one experiences in a given context, viewed as a metaphorical trip through time. Mostly I see this in "faith journey", a sort of vague New Ageish Christian expression.

Applying that meaning, menopause journey is rather SOP. The specifics here are just the limits of the period in which menopause has an effect on a woman's life. Men's experiences with wives' menopause could just as easily be described as their menopause journey. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:44, 7 June 2019 (UTC) Delete - this is completely SOP in my estimation. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 07:23, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I've simplified it into an actual definition. Might just be keepable. SemperBlotto (talk) 05:47, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Sounds like you were one of the <10% whose menopause journey only lasted one day. Lucky you. Because your "actual definition" is totally inaccurate for the other 90%+ of women, for whom the menopause journey is a multi-year adventure. Jeanne Andrus
 * Delete as SoP. — SGconlaw (talk) 08:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I noticed that the creator's user name is also the name of a writer/blogger about menopause. Equinox ◑ 09:51, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I suspect that women may understand this term better than men. DonnanZ (talk) 11:03, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Not counting married men of a certain age. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Delete. I am skeptical about terms only women can understand. Looks like an advertising catchword. A term one claims to be special but isn’t to sell something as special. Fay Freak (talk) 12:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If I'm not mistaken is a woman's name. DonnanZ (talk) 14:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You are frequently mistaken. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Keep and revert to the original definition. As a researcher and educator about menopause and the changes that women go through in the decade before and the decade after "the day" of menopause, I have adopted the term "Menopause Journey" to refer to the entire process - from the time that women begin having anovulatory cycles and hormone levels begin fluctuating to the time at which they beome fully adjusted to their new hormonal levels. For most women, it begins late in their 4th decade (around 38) and completes three to six years into postmenopause.

Therefore, a description around "the menopause" completely leaves out most of this journey, since the definition of menopause is a "the first anniversary of your last period." Jeanne Andrus 18:59:47, 10 June 2019 (UTC) 


 * This is not Wikipedia but Wiktionary. Equinox ◑ 23:51, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Does that mean wrong is acceptable? Because the new "definition" is wrong, as it defines it as a "point in time" which menopause is. Jeanne Andrus


 * It isn't a question of wrong or right, but rather of whether or not "menopause journey" is a lexical item that should be in a dictionary, according to the parameters of Wiktionary. In any case, I agree with you totally that menopause is not usually used to mean the exact point in time of the last period, but rather the whole process. So I have changed the entry for menopause itself to reflect this. There are now two definitions there which I believe cover the word better than before. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 23:11, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * But the truth is that symptoms don't end with the last period, so postmenopause IS part of the journey, and "menopause" in the second definition is diagnosed through the absence of menses for a period of one year, so many (even medical definitions) define menopause as the first anniversary of the last period. The reason that the term "menopause journey" is used by NAMS (North American Menopause Society) is to cover the entire process, for which the beginning and ending points are not clear by medical definition, but are certainly obvious to the women going through it. Therefore, modifying this definition to incorrect is an error and the definition of menopause as a multi-year process including just perimenopause and not postmenopause is an error and should also be labelled as colloquial or common usage, because menopause is a medical term with a medical definition.
 * So "the beginning and ending points are not clear by medical definition" but "menopause is a medical term with a medical definition" ... seems odd. In any case, the def of "menopause" now includes the postmenopause period. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 08:22, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Keep and provide reference to the Menopause article. While the Menopause article provides some biological, social and cultural context, it does not provide reference to the journey of Menopause that women undergo as their body adapts, over at times, a multi-year process. This is a useful and informative point for any one attempting to understand Menopause.
 * This IP (who originally signed under a username that has not been registered on this wiki) has made no other edits, and is evidently either a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Canonicalization (talk) 14:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I have added the long-overdue definition of journey to that entry, to cover cases like this, which are myriad. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 22:53, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as SOP. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Deleted. The only voice(s) in favor of keeping did not bother to provide any arguments relevant to this project's standards. - TheDaveRoss  13:18, 19 June 2019 (UTC)