Talk:murder by suicide

RFV
Added by known-suspect anon IP Special:Contributions/90.205.76.5. The wording is a bit odd -- "A by B" suggests that B is instrumental somehow in carrying out A, but if so, "murder by suicide" would seem to suggest something more like killing oneself and incidentally killing another in the process of committing suicide, rather than any meaning where murder is the primary action and suicide is something that happens in the course of the murder. Actually, that latter case would be more "suicide by murder". Then again, maybe I'm overthinking this. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 05:38, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * A suicide bomber's suicidal act murders other people. As for the anon: first a preoccupation with the occult, now murder and suicide- kinda creepy! I hope we're not looking at warning signs of something (not that we could do anything about it, unfortunately). Chuck Entz (talk) 05:57, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Tosh. I would have just deleted it. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:17, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Cited --Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 20:35, 4 June 2012 (UTC)


 * RFV-passed. - -sche (discuss) 21:33, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

RFV discussion: June 2014
An IP recently changed the definition. I restored the old definition alongside the new one. Which of the definitions are supported by citations? There are three citations in the entry; one clearly uses the first sense, the other two are less clear. - -sche (discuss) 19:57, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The quotation about Kaliayev definitely does not support the second sense. It is a very strange case of the first sense in my opinion. The link to the Myslobodsky cite has gone dead so I can't get the full context but it is very unlikely it supports sense#2.  I got a further snippet of the cite from google "Among fathers of terrorism are the Russian-born political philosopher and anarchist, Michael A...." which indicates that it is supporting sense#1. Spinning Spark  08:51, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Here are some more cites supporting sense#1 . Spinning Spark  09:08, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Alright, I've removed the second sense and kept the first sense. (See also the previous discussion on the talk page.) - -sche (discuss) 21:30, 15 June 2014 (UTC)