Talk:njuugen

RFV discussion: January 2021–January 2022
Same as with soogen: Quite probably a misspelling of the actual lemma,. This time there is a difference in pronunciation (/u/ vs /uː/), but it could still very well be a result of an oral source ([uˑ] vs [uː] respectively). Only hit on google books I could check was a mention at Wurdlist Fryske-Sealtersk, not sure if this can be called an authorative source. Thadh (talk) 12:53, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Pyt Kramer, Wurdlist Fryske-Sealtersk, Ljouwert, 1964 has  =  and Saterfrisian is a WT:LDL.
 * P. Kramer, Lound un Noomen: Die saterfriesischen Orts- und Flurnamen in der Landschaft. Einschließlich Länder- und Gewässernamen. 1. Beend: Text. With a summary in English, Mildaam, 1994 might be another source, and gets mentioned in Handbuch des Friesischen, Handbuch der Sprachminderheiten in Deutschland, Deutsches Ortsnamenbuch. oocities.org adds: "Schreibweise von 1960" (refering to the High German or to the East Frisian?).
 * Possibly not durably archived: nwzonline.de: Seeltersk: Dät „ieuwen gau“ dooget oafter niks: "Dät waas njuugen Uur, as iek ap mien Klokke keek.". But the author is Grosser, and her works might contain the term as well. --46.91.98.89 14:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I found it: explains this phenomenon that these vowels don't match up. It says that since every new researcher developed a new orthography for the language, and no official orthography has been developed, such cases as here (njuugen vs njúgen or soogen vs sogen) appeared. So this is a matter of deciding what orthography we want to follow on Wiktionary rather than whether these writing systems are correct. In light of this information, I believe this discussion should be moved to the Beer Parlour? pinging other editors that have been part of this conversation some way or another Thadh (talk) 15:17, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It rather sounds like the vowels do match up and both uu and ú denote a long /u:/ :) . Like with  vs.  both should stay and be labelled. (People might come across either spelling and search for it here.) --46.91.98.89 01:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * But once again, in the orthography handled by SW, uu denotes the short, while úu denotes the long , so they do not match. As for creating entries, we still need to decide which spelling to give a full entry (opposed to an alternative form) and if we want to include any mentioned form or just the ones quotable. Thadh (talk) 09:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Resolved, kept as an alternative spelling. Thadh (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2022 (UTC)