Talk:non si può cavare sangue da una rapa

RFM discussion: February–May 2021
Should be moved to, since other verbs can precede it such as , , etc. Not sure whether to redirect or simply delete, however. Imetsia (talk) 23:16, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved to RFD. Imetsia (talk) 16:33, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

RFD discussion: May–June 2021
Italian SOP, +  +  +. Imetsia (talk) 16:33, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * If this is a SOP, what's up with you can't make a silk purse of a sow's ear and its other translations? Do we start dividing things like aunque la mona se vista de seda, mona se queda into their smallest possible constituent parts and leave only those as idioms? I think the shorter versions are literally that - shortened derivatives of the longer idiom, and could be listed almost equally well either under Alternative forms, Derivatives or Synonyms. Brutal Russian (talk) 04:33, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The argument you're making may apply to the English and Spanish expressions you cite. And it appears to be simply a WT:JIFFY argument. But I don't think it applies very well to the Italian phrase. For one, JIFFY would "require that common use of the longer expression predated common use of the shorter one" (quoting from a previous discussion). Checking on Google News/Books, you find that the opposite is true. Consider also the fact that every major Italian dictionary I checked has the entry for "cavare sangue da una rapa" but not one for "non si può cavare sangue da una rapa" (I referenced Treccani, Zingarelli, D-O, and even Italian Wikipedia [although that's not a dictionary]). So it looks like the longer entry is just an attempt to force a square peg in a round hole by adding extra words to an Italian expression so that it can appear as a clean translation of the English. That's an Angelucci (the creator of this entry) trademark. It's SOP, plain and simple. Imetsia (talk) 19:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, cavare sangue da una rapa is clearly the main form to keep. Ultimateria (talk) 17:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * RFD-deleted. Imetsia (talk) 15:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)