Talk:not give someone the time of day

RFM discussion: November 2020–March 2021
Clearly need merging under give the time of day (compare give a damn, give a shit). Benwing2 (talk) 02:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, this makes sense and is an obvious fix. Rauisuchian (talk) 17:58, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I have converted not give someone the time of day to a minimal "negative of ~" definition. I dislike automatic redirects generally anyway, but especially from one item to its exact opposite. Another option would be delete not give someone the time of day altogether, so send it to RFD if desired. Mihia (talk) 21:56, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Resolved. I will send the negative form to RFD. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

RFD discussion: March 2021–January 2022
Reduced to its current form by after a discussion at RFM. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd go the other way: give someone the time of day is NISoP; not give someone the time of day is a negative polatity item with a non-SoP meaning because of its discourse function.
 * In the past I'd thought that we'd want to make it clear that not is not an essential element of the collocation. Now I think the not is an essential indication of the nature of the idiom that is visible in links, category listing etc. I believe that, for almost all negative polarity items, typing the item without not into the search box will still lead to the term with not. DCDuring (talk) 00:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It does seem to hinge on whether the positive expression viably exists. Presently there is a positive example, "If you're lucky, she might give you the time of day". If we accept examples such as these as valid then I think we would need an entry for the positive version. Mihia (talk) 11:18, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Here are some positively positive examples: ; ; ; ; . --Lambiam 10:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as per DCDuring et al. At the risk of being too bold here, I made this into a redirect and added a negative sense "snub" at target. We don't have not give a damn, not tip one's hat, etc. Facts707 (talk) 14:08, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * However, we now have both a positive and a negative idiomatic sense at give the time of day, implying that the negative sense is not merely the negative of the positive sense -- so, if we're saying that it is, then the problem is just transferred to another place. In that case, we should label the positive sense "often in the negative", and put the negative examples there too, rather than list the negative sense separately. Mihia (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * IMO the negative sense is merely the negative of the positive sense; not to give someone the time of day is to not acknowledge them, to not give them respect or attention. The idiom is labelled ; we can do the same here.  --Lambiam 09:03, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not too concerned, I think sense 2 is just emphasizing the negative and giving negative synonyms. But yes, they could be combined as suggested. Facts707 (talk) 10:34, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Facts707 It seems strange to me to have definitions listed under give the time of day if that phrase is not actually used verbatim at all (but only with a noun inserted in the middle). Is this conventional? - excarnateSojourner (talk|contrib) 16:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @excarnateSojourner I don't think the order of the object, etc. is particularly important; I modified one example and added a quotation in the form "give the time of day [to someone]". Facts707 (talk) 10:17, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

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