Talk:okutoii

okutoii
This is an SOP entry consisting of three elements: +  +.

Idiomatically, ("to lay or place something") comes after the て　(te) form of a verb to give the sense that one is [verb]ing in preparation for something else -- doing it and leaving it (for some future purpose). The particle after a verb means "whenever one [verb]s". just means "good". As a construct, +  after a verb literally means "whenever one [verb]s, it's good" -- extrapolated, this imparts the sense that one should do [verb] or that [verb]ing would be a good idea. Putting the whole shebang of  +  +  after a verb would mean that it would be a good idea for one to [verb] in preparation for some future eventuality -- all of which is discernible from its parts.

Although this takes a bit of explanation, the whole combined phrase of  +  +  is by no means a suffix as the okutoii entry currently has it, and given its intrinsic SOP-ness, I do not think the entry merits inclusion. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 23:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The term +  is worth inclusion, IMHO, but not as a suffix. It doesn't seem to be very common, though. --Anatoli 23:25, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * この表現を知っておくといいかも？ :) --Anatoli 23:33, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, oku ga ii still looks to be awfully SOP to me. What about  +  +  is sufficiently non-SOP to be worth including?  I'm open to persuasion, I just don't see it myself.  :)
 * For example, "おくが便利"+-wiki shows some use of this different combination (albeit just on the web at large), indicating that -te form + +  is not necessarily followed by, and suggesting that oku ga ii is not a set phrase.  Some of those hits also show -te form +  +  + comma + , and looking at the context shows that the writers in question view -te form +  +  as the subject, clearly so indicated by the ga subject particle, and indicated too by the comma to mark a break before the rest of the sentence, a common rhythm pattern in Japanese.  -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 23:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, sum of parts as explained by Eirikr. Oboete-oku seems slightly more worthy of a entry. Fugyoo 23:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Deleted. Haplology 12:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete : okuto + ii. You can also say okuto benri da, etc. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 09:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, might be useful to a learner but is basically SOP and not idiomatic enough. It might be appropriate as a usage example under oku--I'd say salvage that bit and then delete.  Besides I don't feel like making okutobenri and whatever other variations there are. Haplology 14:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)