Talk:ornate wolf

RFV discussion: May–July 2019
Unable to find any examples of usage on Google Books where the term refers to Lycaon pictus. There was only one source which said anything close, and it said, "The translation of Lycaon pictus is painted [wolf] or ornate wolf." It's on Wikipedia but there's a Citation Needed template there (I put it there). --Corsicanwarrah (talk) 20:13, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As with many vernacular names, they appear most often in lists of vernacular names associated with taxonomic names, which we normally consider mentions. African wild dog is the more common English vernacular name. DCDuring (talk) 20:56, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * But that one source says, "Lycaon pictus translates as "ornate wolf"", which I don't really think would count as an example of usage. Has the name "ornate wolf" appeared on three or more such lists, which I think would be necessary if I recall the guidelines correctly? I've seen African wild dog, African hunting dog, painted dog, painted wolf, and painted hunting dog used in sentences of the kind "The foo does bar", where 'foo' is one of the aforementioned names. 'Foo' has never been 'ornate wolf'. --Corsicanwarrah (talk) 11:44, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree. AFAICT it's a calque that didn't catch on. DCDuring (talk) 15:41, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There's the two examples I can find, here and here. Both are, as I mentioned, statements of the kind: "X translates as Y". It's not even a 'calque that didn't catch on', as there's no mention of the term outside scenarios of "X translates as Y". It's like saying "hwamei translates as "painted eyebrow"" and then creating an entry for painted eyebrow.
 * Edit: I found these two references to "ornate wolf" outside an "X translates as Y" context, but both are self-published books and one seems to be a copy of Wikipedia. How reliable would that be? --Corsicanwarrah (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I am more inclined to have a term such as this as a synonym in any common vernacular names or taxonomic names rather than give it a full entry, if some of the three required citations are in lists of vernacular names. DCDuring (talk) 22:01, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 22:05, 3 July 2019 (UTC)