Talk:palma de la mano

Requests for deletion - kept
Kept. See archived discussion of August 2008. 06:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

RFD discussion: September–November 2021
SOP. PUC – 16:47, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete --4SnavaA (talk) 10:15, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Can you explain why is this considered a SOP? If "palma" has the meaning of "palm of the hand", wouldn't "palma de la mano" as a SOP mean "palm of the hand of the hand"? If "palma" meant something like "flat part" and we had constructions like "palma del pie", I could understand, but I can't read this sense of "palma" as anything else than a synonym of "palma de la mano". Furthermore, as a Portuguese speaker, I find it more natural to say "palma da mão", the Portuguese counterpart, than solely "palma". Palma da mão is usually dictionarized too. - Sarilho1 (talk) 16:24, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * For Example, English palm also means "The inner and somewhat concave part of the human hand that extends from the wrist to the bases of the fingers". If an English palm of the hand is SOP than so it this.--4SnavaA (talk) 04:38, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I hesitated before nominating this entry, and you're making me seriously reconsider the nomination. The situation is exactly the same in French: doesn't seem to be used to refer to any old flat part (we don't say *paume du pied either); it really means "the flat of the hand" in itself, but it's chiefly used in paume de la main, which consequently does seem to be a pleonastic ("palm of the hand of the hand") but lexicalized turn of phrase.
 * Moreover, their Latin etymon means "palm of the hand" too, so it must be the primary meaning of the Romance descendants; they cannot be considered ellipses of paume de la main / palma de la mano / palma da mão.
 * The question must then be: if these words in themselves mean "palm of the hand" and aren't used to designate other parts of the body / other objects, why did Romance speakers feel the need to be extra-clear by adding de la main / de la mano / da mão? PUC – 13:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That's indeed a very intriguing question. The best I could find was this etymological dictionary that states that two later Latin expressions occurred: palma manus for the flat part of the hand and vola manus for the concave part. Not sure if it's correct, but at least it would explain why "of the hand" is so widespread. Maybe it's also influenced by the fact that we say plante du pied / planta del pie / planta do pé? - Sarilho1 (talk) 10:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Imetsia (talk) 14:15, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 14:30, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, --Robbie SWE (talk) 08:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Sarilho1. AG202 (talk) 22:35, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * RFD-deleted. Imetsia (talk) 22:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)