Talk:patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels

RFV discussion: August 2011–March 2012
A proverb? Really? Seems more like a quote. And only 325 hits on Google Books. ---&gt; Tooironic 14:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure what our standards are for proverbs (well, actually, I'm pretty sure we have none); based on your bgc search I'll say delete. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 20:03, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * 60,500 results in quoted string Google search. The proverb/expression dooesn't sound nice but I agree with it partially. It may be my subjective opinion but many racists usually call themselves "patriots". Keep. --Anatoli 00:34, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I haven't done a statistical analysis, but I thought that the original quote (by Samuel Johnson) was "patriotism is the last refuge of a (or the) scoundrel". SemperBlotto 06:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That apparently correct form is more common at both COCA and Google books. FWIW, whether or not correctly quoted, it is usually quoted with attribution. We have no principles of our own to call on. By some criteria in the literature of paremiology this might qualify. DCDuring TALK 10:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Let's start a proverbs appendix!Gtroy 21:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * With no offense to Samuel Johnson, his quotation hardly counts as a proverb. It's clever in its context, certainly, but that doesn't make it a proverb.


 * Deleted like [[democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner]]. If you disagree with the deletion, please bring it up at RFD. Cheers, - -sche (discuss) 21:59, 3 March 2012 (UTC)