Talk:pivoine

Is this even a borrowing? There are references to an Old French term (implying a Middle French intermediate) in several etymological dictionaries, though the form varies. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  12:22, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That's what the TLFi seems to be saying: I think it cites the OF form as an aside, not as the etymon. Have you checked the Dictionnaire historique de la langue française by Alain Rey? If not, I can do that later (I don't have it at hand right now; probably tomorrow). Canonicalization (talk) 09:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Rey also says it's a borrowing. Canonicalization (talk) 09:56, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, but he does date the forms with -v- to the late 14th century, which I guess is Middle French? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  13:17, 31 August 2019 (UTC)