Talk:preparation time

RFD discussion: May–June 2024
Sum of parts. "1. (cooking) The amount of time required to gather all necessary ingredients and utensils." i.e. time to prepare. "2. (education) The time during which a teacher or member of faculty is not required to be in contact with a student for the purpose of instruction or supervision." This is misleading because it does not include things like the teacher's spare time or vacation time. It is in fact time for preparation of educational material. And "3. Time spent preparing for something." Obviously SoP. A lot of this user's numerous recent "time" entries may be SoP. Equinox ◑ 10:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete, SOP. I would like to prevent this user from creating any more entries for some time. PUC – 12:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For what reason? I am creating these entries in good faith, since they all appear as redlinked entries under the "hyponyms" section of time. newfiles (talk) 12:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I also don't appreciate that comment that you made earlier that I'm "creating a lot of crap". That is very rude.  I'm not a troll.  And I'm creating entries that are redlinked, in order to build and expand Wiktionary. newfiles (talk) 13:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not doubting your good faith, I'm doubting your judgment. You should not create entries for every red link that you see. PUC – 15:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I would not create entries for redlinked terms that I know and realize would clearly be deemed SoP by the Wiktionary community. For example, "perfect time", from the discussion previously, which was instantly marked for deletion, even though it was discovered that is a legitimate term in the world of music. newfiles (talk) 15:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * In the case of, let's not forget that the version of the entry that was nominated for deletion is . PUC – 17:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed it was. But that doesn't detract from the fact that you were very rude to me by stating I'm "adding a lot of crap entries". newfiles (talk) 01:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * An IP on Wikipedia didn't like it when I called him a "troublesome user" recently. I do wonder why the user is unregistered. DonnanZ (talk) 14:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Which user are you talking about? PUC – 15:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I haven't got a clue. You can see here: . I have some unfinished business. DonnanZ (talk) 15:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete as SoP. — Sgconlaw (talk) 17:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I previously pointed out to you that you can't just look at the red links in a list of hyponyms or derived terms and start creating entries for them. This is a wiki—editors sometimes add items to lists without being aware of policies that may disallow entries to be made for such items. Now that you are aware of the SoP policy, try to consider if a term may be SoP before creating an entry. For example, if preparation time means nothing more than time spent preparing for something, then it's SoP. You added an education and a cooking sense, but if such senses are allowed, then why not also senses like time spent in preparation by a chemist, dentist, or engineer? I hope you can see how quickly the number of senses would increase, and that as a whole it is unreasonable to have such an entry. If you're unsure if a term is SoP or not, raise the matter for discussion at the Tea Room. — Sgconlaw (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Most of this user's entries are good, and they are evidently learning and getting better, but it behoves them to keep SoP at the front of mind when creating multi-word terms. This, that and the other (talk) 05:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete 3 - SOP. Take 2 (in rewritten form) to RFV - I've only heard of this being called "prep time" or "preparatory time", but if it's citable then I think it's not SOP - it refers to a specific scheduled block in school timetabling (where teachers and/or students are required to be on campus but do not have lessons. You see it a lot in old boarding school novels). I think delete 1, but it has a specific meaning in cooking: the time required to set mise en place. After all, all cooking is food preparation in one form or another, but if a cookbook says "20 minutes preparation time" they mean "Chopping and weighing ingredients will take 20 minutes". Preparation time would include the time it takes to slice meat, but not the time it takes to cook nor to marinate. That said, maybe that nuance would be better handled as a sense at preparation. Smurrayinchester (talk) 10:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * You say: if a cookbook says "20 minutes preparation time" they mean "Chopping and weighing ingredients will take 20 minutes". A cookbook doesn't need to tell you how to chop and weigh things: those instructions are not in the recipe. So they are preparation for the recipe. Seems fairly self-evident in context. Equinox ◑ 10:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Could it be useful for people to define it a bit more precisely like this? Then I am inclined to keep it. The second definition too, I wouldn’t guess it. 3rd should be . How to cook or navigate educational institutions (efficiently) isn’t intuitive to everyone, actually these are whole arts by themselves. Fay Freak (talk) 18:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ultimateria (talk) 19:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * RFD failed Denazz (talk) 08:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)