Talk:provided that

provided that
I disagree that it's an alternative form of. The presence or absence of that is not a lexical feature but a grammatical one. PUC – 18:05, 25 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I think that and  are mostly synonymous with :
 * You can ask questions here provided you have done your homework first.
 * You can ask questions here only if you have done your homework first.
 * You can ask questions here as long as you have done your homework first.
 * But they are not if the sentence uses provided together with that:
 * You can ask questions here provided that you have done your homework first.
 * * You can ask questions here only if that you have done your homework first.
 * * You can ask questions here as long as that you have done your homework first.
 * So this seems not to be just a grammatical feature. Personally, I feel the two ought to be swapped, with as the main form, with synonyms, and the conjunction  defined as an alternative, shortened form of . We should have usage examples, though, with tmesis, as is possible in many multi-word expressions; that is, the components are separated by the insertion of one or more words, as in provided furthermore, that.  --Lambiam 12:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * FWIW, CGEL lists 7 subordinators that can be used in place of if: provided, as/so long as, on condition, assuming, supposing, in the event, in case. It treats as/so long as and in case as special cases, in that they don't permit that, whereas for the others it's optional. Colin M (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree that this is a general grammatical feature, and nothing particularly to do with "provided". We don't have entries for assuming that, considering that or allowing that, though we do have one for given that. Hmm. Mihia (talk) 22:52, 30 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - Dentonius (my politics | talk) 14:14, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. (That-dropping is common in English.)  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 13:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. As per Vox Sciurorum and others. "She said he could go" "She said that he could go". No one is going to look up "provided that". Facts707 (talk) 01:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. I agree with the nominator. I do think it's at least plausible as a search term, and so could see an argument for maybe turning it into a redirect to provided. But in the absence of a redirect, I'm sure provided would be at the top of the search results anyways. Colin M (talk) 22:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Deleted. DAVilla 00:28, 8 May 2021 (UTC)