Talk:pseudoinnocently

RFV discussion: July–September 2016
By User:Philmonte101. Three quotations meeting WT:ATTEST? I found 3 hits on Google Books, but the one from Heart Power: Inspiring the Courage to Heal and Love Yourself One Day at a Time is for pseudo-innocently with a hyphen, without doubt, and the other two do not appear to be unambiguous non-hyphenated occurrences. --Dan Polansky (talk) 22:06, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes the second one very inconveniently splits across a line, making it impossible to tell. And I can't see the actual text of the one from 1993. DTLHS (talk) 22:10, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Toxic Terror has the 1993 quote, but is from 1985 according to google. There it is: "Still she pseudo- [line break] innocently informs us as we shiver in fright.".
 * As there is one clear example of pseudo-innocently and no clear example of pseudoinnocently, how about moving it and changing the examples? E.g. "Still she pseudoinnocently informs" could be changed into "Still she pseudo-innocently informs" with some short note that there is a line break. I don't know what's the best way to denote the line break though.
 * Now I searched with Google's book search for "pseudo-innocently" (with quotation marks) and it had enough results to clearly attest pseudo-innocently. So maybe the examples with line breaks should be moved to the talk page Talk:pseudo-innocently and be replaced by clear examples.
 * BTW: Maybe pseudoinnocence and pseudoinnocent are 'incorrect' too (all three entries were created by the same person)?
 * -Ikiaika (talk) 00:44, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay I understand this, but User:Ikiaika, there is no "correct" or "incorrect" use of words like these. The only reason I added those is that they have been used in many sources. If anything, I don't like hyphens from prefixes + a noun. Those should be alternative forms, because they look less like words. Just my opinion. Philmonte101 (talk) 01:11, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * @Philmonte101: What makes you say "they have been used in many sources"? gives me 3 hits, and that is the complete world wide web. --Dan Polansky (talk) 13:30, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

pseudo-innocently, pseudo-innocent, pseudo-innocence clearly are attestable (Google books search). pseudoinnocence and pseudoinnocent clearly are attestable too, though could be slightly less common than the spelling with hyphen. pseudoinnocently seems to be unattestable by a Google books search. The quote in pseudoinnocent is correct, it's without a hyphen and without a line break in the book. Here is Toxic Terror (Elizabeth M. Whelan, Prometheus Books, 1993). I can't read it too and I could image than the quote comes from Google's text preview. Toxic Terror (Elizabeth M. Whelan, Jameson Books, 1985) has the same sentence, but it has a line break.
 * @Philmonte101: Yes, I know and I wasn't refering to the spelling. I was refering to the entries and their attestability and the quotes. I'm sorry for the imprecise wording.
 * @Dan Polansky: Maybe he was refering to pseudoinnocence and pseudoinnocent which don't have a hyphen and "have been used in many sources" (as a Google books search show). Thus it would be logical that there is also pseudoinnocently. But logic doesn't attest a spelling, cites have to be provided.
 * Greetings, Ikiaika (talk) 06:31, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Ikiaika is correct. I was referring to pseudoinnocence and -innocent being clearly attestable, and the fact that I thought if pseudoinnocently had a few citations, and it was hypothetically a correct word formation, then it may be able to have a Wiktionary entry. Philmonte101 (talk) 06:44, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It is a correct word formation, but that doesn't attest a word for Wiktionary. Three clear cititations are needed to attest an English word or spelling (WT:CFI). Toxic Terror (1993) could have it, but that would just be one cite. So that's (unfortunately) not enough. It could be added to Appendix:List of protologisms/G-P though. -Ikiaika (talk) 07:57, 17 July 2016 (UTC)


 * RFV failed. —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 12:19, 21 September 2016 (UTC)