Talk:puere

RFV discussion: May–July 2021
Latin: “vocative singular of puer”; it was previously in the declension table (see Talk:vire); is our decision to re-add or delete it? J3133 (talk) 15:56, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It sounds very wrong, just as weird as *o matere and so on. Why should we re-add it? Just speedy delete and be done with this abomination. --Lambiam 12:28, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Per the dictionaries mentioned at Talk:vire, and the citations they give, keep, but as the vocative of the archaic form, not as the vocative of the Classical form . —Mahāgaja · talk 12:45, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A reminder that this is RFV, not RFD. Mahagaja's source should be enough to block speedy deletion and keep this, imo. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  16:53, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * OK. Yes, the form does occur, e.g. here about line 156/157, used by Simo. The nominative *puerus is apparently not attested as such, but invoked to explain this vocative. --Lambiam 19:08, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * If the nominative puerus isn't attested, we might as well simply say that puere is an archaic vocative of puer rather than inventing a new nominative singular. —Mahāgaja · talk 19:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If that voc. isn't a valid form of that 2nd declension pattern [nom./voc. -(er), gen. -(er)i, dat./abl. -(er)o], it's also not fitting to say "in this case, there's an archaic form of this declension" - it could still be heteroclitic. So it would need some good wording.
 * Georges states: "Archaist. Nomin. puerus, Augustin. serm. 57, 6 Mai; vgl. Prisc. 6, 42: Vokat. puere, Caecil. com. 100. Afran. com. 193. Plaut. asin. 382 u.a. – Genet. Plur. puerûm, Plaut. truc. 763 Sch." According to this, the nom. is
 * attested (albeit it might depend on edition, but that's good enough for attestion, albeit WT usually fails to name editions and credit editors for Latin),
 * mentioned (with is sufficient for a WT:LDL like Latin).
 * 21:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Cited. The definition is fixed and the lemma cited in. --Macopre (talk) 12:16, 16 July 2021 (UTC)