Talk:red nigger

RFD discussion: July 2022
Rfd-sense: adjective. Isn't this just attributive? 98.170.164.88 22:03, 20 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Any noun can be used this way. Binarystep (talk) 00:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * *Keep. It has two meanings and therefore cannot be sum-of-parts or any of the other things we come here for. — Soap — 10:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * have you misread the nomination? Only the so-called “adjective” sense has been nominated, not the noun. — Sgconlaw (talk) 11:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I misread. I apologize. — Soap — 11:15, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * an editor has just nominated the noun at RFD. — Sgconlaw (talk) 12:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it is at RFV. J3133 (talk) 13:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ah, sorry. — Sgconlaw (talk) 13:28, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete the “adjective” sense: merely an attributive use of the noun. — Sgconlaw (talk) 11:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Just a general point: it's wise to quote the sense you are challenging, to help people reading the future talk page, and indeed to give people a clue when they are reading the live discussion. In this case we have an unchallenged sense "(ethnic slur, derogatory, slang, dated) A Native American person", and then the challenged sense: "(ethnic slur) An African American of mixed European descent". Equinox ◑ 13:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not know if you meant to post this at the RFV but that is the sense challenged at RFV, not the one here at RFD. J3133 (talk) 13:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not the sense I challenged. Someone else challenged that afterwards. I'm challenging the adjective. I didn't quote it because the text is similar to the noun (the POS being the only real difference). 98.170.164.88 17:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. AG202 (talk) 23:24, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, per my original rationale, even though I misread the nomination .... if it has two senses as a noun, but only one as an adjective, then the adjective section should stay .... however, this is a very weak argument because I suspect the 2nd definition under the noun section is going to fail verification. If that happens, then this vote should count as another delete vote. — Soap — 15:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Cited the second noun sense ("person of mixed Black and European descent"), but that too can be used attributively:
 * "a cheap bottle of malcochon (...) is all that red nigger overseer could give you?"
 * "So, Olive, you don’t have eyes in your head to see that is because the woman skin lighter than yours and mine she feel she better than people on this hill. (...) And what make her precious so? That fading, yellow, red-nigger skin?" (even used as an example sentence of the word red nigger (in the sense "mulatto") in a dictionary of Caribbean English)
 * "his red-nigger self", "this red-nigger magistrate" (from the same author as the previous) 98.170.164.88 20:32, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not seeing anything that passes the adjective tests, really. Theknightwho (talk) 16:28, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Attributive use of a noun, in any and all senses. --Lambiam 13:12, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete the "adjective", it doesn't seem to pass any tests of adjectivity. - -sche (discuss) 01:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete as adjective per nom - just attributive. Facts707 (talk) 11:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Deleted Dunderdool (talk) 08:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

RFV discussion: July–August 2022
Rfv-sense - (ethnic slur) An African American of mixed European descent

The one citation provided for this sense (2001 on citations page) is certainly a mention, though from a scholarly work which makes it somewhat better. Also, is the definition accurate? It could be clarified I am sure. I'm also guessing it is dated. - TheDaveRoss  12:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Cited under a modified definition. It's mostly used in the West Indies, so I reworded it not to use "African American". 98.170.164.88 20:09, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If anyone wants a quotation-finding challenge, there's an additional, unrelated sense of this term referring to certain kinds of rubber balls used in automotive manufacturing:, . 98.170.164.88 22:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Passed. — Sgconlaw (talk) 14:08, 5 August 2022 (UTC)