Talk:rispondere picche

Did you mean to rfd this page? Ultimateria (talk) 19:16, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Replying to Ultimateria, yes, I would've liked to add this page to these requests. HeliosX (talk) 01:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sense 1 is idiomatic and I think we should keep it. If you want to nominate sense 2, feel free to add and add it to RFDN, but it should go in its own section if you do. Ultimateria (talk) 03:16, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

RFD discussion: January–March 2020
Regarding its sense about card games, it may be a sum of parts. HeliosX (talk) 16:07, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The card term means “spades”, so if rispondere picche means “to answer clubs ”, it is part of a highly un-SOPpy secret language.  --Lambiam 22:47, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Does the idiomatic sense derive from the card-game sense? If so, it would be nice to record that fact in an Etymology section. Otherwise, we can use &lit for the card-game sense. --Lambiam 22:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * According to the Italian Wiktionary, just picche! can be used as an interjection with the meaning “absolutely not!”. --Lambiam 23:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I can’t think of a plausible relation with card play. Perhaps the sense of refusal comes from the gesture you see in this clip from Amadeus at 1:38–1:39, when the guards cross their pikes to refuse entrance to Mozart. --Lambiam 23:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Deleting this, though somewhat out of process, because I think it's a mistake. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 20:06, 22 March 2020 (UTC)