Talk:sa/vol

RFV discussion: March–May 2022
Can’t find any attestation. It was created by Wonderfool as ‘transwiki material’. ·~  dictátor · mundꟾ  22:05, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


 * This is real old-school WF, but it does seem legit. Lots of educational worksheet-type PDFs on the broader web have it. Surely it's easily cited from . This, that and the other (talk) 02:36, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm getting a cite in the exact case form here. Theknightwho (talk) 02:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * This occurs in almost any combination of majuscules and minuscules, such as “Sa/Vol”, but the most common form in a book search seems to be “SA/vol”. The abbreviation “SA” for “surface area” in formulas is readily attested, as is “vol” for “volume”. I think this is as much a sum-of-parts as “V/R”. --Lambiam 11:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure, but we're discussing sa/vol not SA/vol. Theknightwho (talk) 13:49, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * But isn’t “sa”, as seen e.g. here, simply an alternative-case rendering of “SA”? Compare also the abbreviation “s.a.”. --Lambiam 10:05, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * We would simply move the item to the more common, attestable form, since we don't have it. The result of an entry or definition failing RfV is not always mere deletion. DCDuring (talk) 16:18, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * My issue is that there seems to be a two-stage argument going on here that doesn't hold up: (a) that SA/vol is more common (and therefore we should make that the primary entry), and (b) that SA/vol is sum of parts, because SA can readily be attested as meaning "surface area", which justifies deleting the entry. What this misses is that the second argument doesn't follow through for sa/vol, because sa is not currently attested as meaning "surface area", which means that sa/vol is not sum of parts.
 * I appreciate that it seems pedantic, but if we care about case forms then we should do so properly. Theknightwho (talk) 19:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree it's SOP (as Lambiam shows, and as any citations of sa/vol show, sa can also mean "surface area" in this case-form, as well as many other case forms), like other such terms we've deleted (Talk:m³/s, and soon µg/l.). - -sche (discuss) 20:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

cited, although it is far more common to se "SA/Vol". The question of whether it is SOP is more properly addressed under RFD. Kiwima (talk) 23:59, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 00:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

RFD discussion: March–October 2022
Sum of parts? CrocodileAberdeen (talk) 14:23, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, delete. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  21:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as sum-of-parts. — SGconlaw (talk) 13:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - not SoP as things currently stand, as sa doesn't even have an English definition, and SA doesn't have anything about surface areas. I'm not sure that they should, either. Theknightwho (talk) 14:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I have now added the definition of surface area to, but sa seems to be unattested. Now, regardless of whether sa/vol is attested or not [in it’s current spelling], the entry is encyclopedic. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  18:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * In what sense is it encyclopaedic? Theknightwho (talk) 19:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Surface-area-to-volume ratio. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  19:27, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure, but the point is that a person may not know that it means "surface area to volume ratio", which is why they'd look it up. Theknightwho (talk) 19:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Special:MobileDiff/66175723. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  20:25, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Which doesn't apply here, because as we've already established sa is not attested as surface area. Theknightwho (talk) 21:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I think it should be sent to RFV. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  21:08, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete, SOP, like µg/l and m³/s. - -sche (discuss) 20:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)


 * In general I would delete any X/Y meaning "X per Y" since that is a sum of parts. In this case we don't seem to have meaning "surface area" (should we? is it Translingual?). The definition also says it's specific to "organisms": can nothing else have an sa/vol measurement? Equinox ◑ 20:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as SOP. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 03:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Deleted, left the citations. - TheDaveRoss  15:11, 7 October 2022 (UTC)