Talk:saucijs

Isn't it directly from French?
@Lingo Bingo Dingo So says the FEW and the sound-changes are suspiciously identical. The pronunciation with /ɑu̯/ is no obstacle either, if we keep in mind Old French /au̯/. Nicodene (talk) 23:15, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * EWN says that in Middle Dutch it was initially directly borrowed from Latin, and subsequently influenced by stages of French, but older references went with just French < Latin.  ←₰-→  Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  20:54, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lingo Bingo Dingo Assuming this Middle Dutch ⟨salcijsken⟩ represented a pronunciation like */salˈsiːs-/, it is straightforwardly explainable as a borrowing from early Old French salsice /salˈ(t)sisə/. It seems, then, that as the pronunciation of the word changed in French, the Dutch word followed suit, in some respects, due to ongoing contact with French. Nicodene (talk) 22:50, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is relatively close to the historical pronunciation. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  19:08, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I have revised the etymology a little. What are your thoughts? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  19:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lingo Bingo Dingo I have revised it a bit more. The later French influence seems to have been more than just a matter of spelling. For the Middle Dutch, I suppose the ending is a diminutive or such? If so that may be worth noting. Nicodene (talk) 19:55, 22 September 2022 (UTC)