Talk:sealed systems

The definition given is essentially a plug, particularly since it is given for the plural form (i.e., the form used in marketing). Further, a quick google shows the same phrase used in several non-computing contexts (audio, printing, HVAC . . .) to denote, erm, systems which are sealed. I don't see any strong justification for the definition given, and a more representative definition would be redundant.

It may have been premature to delete the content here, in which case I apologize.

However, I can see no reason to give the trademarked meaning of this phrase any special weight. Searching for the phrase in google turns up mostly other usages (e.g., 750+ for "sealed systems" computer vs. 4600+ overall for ''"sealed systems"). The British National Corpus of 100 million words of current usage turns up a couple of HVAC references and nothing in computing, trademarked or otherwise (compare to, say, store, which turns up several computing-related usages). The meaning of the phrase is clearly "systems which are sealed," with the trademarked definition merely a special case. Should we record every trademarked use of a perfectly ordinary phrase? Perhaps, but certainly not so prominently.

Further, the etymology of the phrase is not "coined by Tailored Computers." The phrase very clearly predates TC. The etymology is self-evident. Compare with the recent additions echo drawing and echo poem (or protologism, for that matter) which are pretty clearly coinages.

I'm not entirely clear on how to handle this, but I'm having another go anyway. -dmh 02:38, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

From Requests for deletion

 * sealed systems See discussion. This appears to be a plug. - dmh 16:45, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * This one looked OK. If the company originated the term thay have the right to the credit.  If it is a plug it's probably not effective. Restored and re-formatted.  Eclecticology 02:22, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * You make some good points on the talk page. It's a border line situation which I prefer to resolve in favour of keeping.  I have no problem with including trademarked names; they are a part of the culture, and people may wonder where the usage comes from.  What's on the page does not give any particular endorsement of the product, or help people to seek the product.  It just gives a basic explanation of the term. Eclecticology 04:41, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I'm satisfied with the definitions (sealed system and sealed systems (with and without trademark)) as they stand. Note that the original definition made claims about enhanced security etc., which I've removed in favor of trying to counterbalance them with inherent drawbacks of the scheme (there is a reason not every computer is delivered this way).  Indeed, my original objections were mainly to do with this langauge, and the lack of any mention of the ordinary meaning.  I also have no problem with including trademarked terms (see nerf and duck tape) (TM). -dmh 14:01, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)