Talk:seitsemän

is this a lone word from indo-european? -- 70.20.234.188 00:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Seitsemän is related to Hungarian hét, Votic сеицее, Mari шымыт, and Erzya сисем, and in some way to Proto-Indo-European *septm (Sanskrit सप्त (sapta), Avestan hapta, Hittite shipta, Greek επτά, Latin septem, Old Church Slavonic сєдмь, Lithuanian septyni, Latvian septiņi, Irish seacht, Welsh saith), as well as to Arabic (sábʕa) and Hebrew שבע (sheva). Unfortunately, the exact relationship is not known, and no one knows the origin of the word or how it flowed between different ancient cultures and languages. —Stephen 02:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * To the Votic add Karelian seittšemen, Veps sītšmen, Estonian seitse which provide us with Proto-Baltic-Finnic *seitsemän, which judging by the next-closest neighbors (importantly also North Sami čieža) is from Proto-Finno-Permic *śeićema or *śeŋćema. For this I myself suspect a development from an Iranian form such as *seftem > *śexćema, complete OR tho.
 * According to the etymological dictionaries I've checked, the Ugric forms like hét are "independant loans from proto-Aryan", and the Samoyed may be from proto-Tocharian. --Tropylium 17:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Final consonant
Seitsemän can’t be derived directly from seitsen. It would have to be derived from the earlier form *seitsem, since adding -än to seitsen would yield !seitsenän. NJPharris (talk) 20:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The etymology section already addresses your concerns. &mdash; surjection &lang;??&rang; 21:08, 11 November 2021 (UTC)