Talk:semenancy

RFV
The definition was "Divination by interpreting patterns formed by male seminal fluid (semen), usually on the skin of the receptive partner".

I can't really face plowing through some of the links this turns up, but certainly there's nothing on google books or google news. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 11:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC) Wasn't anyone going to notify me of deleting a word I added? An explanation would be appreciated too. --BrightBlackHeaven 11:48, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah. SB had even less patience than I did. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 11:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I did consider adding it to our bad jokes page - but I can never remember what it is called. SemperBlotto 11:43, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have created WT:BJ shortcut, as "bad jokes". --Dan Polansky 12:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * "It doesn't exist". Mglovesfun (talk) 12:00, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, yes it does. Just ask Google. I wasn't aware of the policy on protologisms, I'm new here, so, sorry. The two words I was trying to add (chemognosticism and semenancy) were used in a Wikipedia article (chaos magic) and I thought people would find definitions of these words useful. (The "bad joke" comment above was out of line.) --BrightBlackHeaven 12:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * WT:CFI, and you're right, they were good jokes. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:15, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. And I don't mind if anyone thinks semenancy itself is a joke, I didn't even know what it was before I googled it, I'm saying it's not a bad (or good) joke to imply that this word exists, since it does. --BrightBlackHeaven 12:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You might think that it does imply that the word exists - we cannot tell you what to think. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:47, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a chance this could pass based on Google Groups alone. Restored, it does seem to mean *something*. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:54, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Really? Does that mean "chemognostic" could pass too since it has earlier (since 1997) mentions on Google Groups? --BrightBlackHeaven 14:43, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but chemognostic has never existed. Maybe you mistyped it, I dunno. Chemognosis would pass IMO. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I first made an article for chemognosticism since that was the word used on the wikipedia article, but chemognosis seems to be the word that's used the most, on the internet at least. As far as I understand right now, -gnosis is the gnosis itself, and -gnosticism is the practice of achieving said gnosis, wouldn't they both need to be defined if at least one of them passes the inclusion criteria? Plus chemognostic, the person. --BrightBlackHeaven 15:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Any word will pass RfV if you provide evidence a) that it is actually used in the real world, b) that it actually means what the definition says. SemperBlotto 15:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't know how to prove it besides saying "google it". :/ How would I add any proof in the article? Oh, hold on, I'm actually reading the text on top of this page now. --BrightBlackHeaven 15:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I will have to review your policies re citations and post later, but I assure you this esoteric term has been widely used for at least the last century in various sex magick traditions. Crowley uses the term in White Stains I believe - certainly he refers to the practice repeatedly.Thelema23 01:04, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Not if the Hathi or Google Books OCR is correct. Neither White Stains or any of the other 11 books HathiTrust has show hits for semenancy.--Prosfilaes 06:05, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I'm sorry...you're quite right the word itself is never used in White Stains. The rite was (and is) quite esoteric and Crowley rarely uses the term in his published work. The act however, is referred to repeatedly, albeit most frequently indirectly such as in this instance-
 * "Viens a moi, qui, raide, couche,Attendant tes desirs lubriques;Tu suces et couvres dans la bouche De l'amour le pouce phallique;Je tremble, en mourant avec feu,Voyant la clarte de tes yeux,Leur flamme mechante, saphique,Brulant en langueur amoureux."Thelema23 02:21, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 06:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)