Talk:shared driveway

RFD discussion: May–August 2023
Either this is SOP, or I'm too drunk Skisckis (talk) 00:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe both... Chuck Entz (talk) 04:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Some houses in my street have shared pathways (for access to two neighbouring houses), but I have no idea who owns them. DonnanZ (talk) 09:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In my place we have a shared garage. But nobody cares about that either. Skisckis (talk) 11:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. SoP. The synonym is already sorted out. Equinox ◑ 02:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case,  redirect to . There's no need for deletion. DonnanZ (talk) 08:07, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. pipestem is rarely used outside of the phrases pipestem lot and pipestem driveway and it appears to be a largely (entirely?) American term. I've never come across it before and it's far rarer than shared driveway. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 10:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * No, that goes entirely against our redirect policy. Please familiarize yourself with it before advising that.  Equinox ◑ 11:12, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Any redirects I have done (not many) have not been reverted, so I was unaware of any redirect policy. You will find zillions of them in Wikipedia (and I did have one reverted here). Please provide the evidence. DonnanZ (talk) 18:05, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't care what you've done. We have a policy, formed by consensus, and you either obey it or get fixed later and/or kicked out. Do you also go to the law courts of England and Wales and say "loads of people commit mugging so I did it too, Your Honour". You fucking clown. Stay off RFV and RFD pages please. Equinox ◑ 18:23, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with @Equinox here: we have a completely different policy on redirects to Wikipedia. I (and others) are sick are DonnanZ completely ignoring any and all policies because he feels like it. Theknightwho (talk) 18:26, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * To be fair to Donnanz, they seem to have been genuinely unaware of our rules about redirects (in which case, see WT:Redirections). I don't think they've been deliberately ignoring them. PUC – 18:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @PUC It's a bit hopeless if a user with over 240k edits still doesn't know we don't do hard redirects in situations like this.
 * For what it's worth, I'm leaning towards a very weak keep, on the basis that this is the only term that gets used in British English; isn't used. Theknightwho (talk) 19:08, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete as SoP. &mdash; excarnateSojourner (talk &middot; contrib) 19:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks to . Unless I missed it, WT:Redirections doesn't say "Do not use for synonyms", which this is. There was no need for Equinox's abusive tirade, even if he's having a bad day. I will agree with User:Theknightwho for once for the last comment, this is a synonym, so keep for that reason. DonnanZ (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm tempted to say keep per WT:HOSPITAL, but I'm not sure. Is 1) an exclusively British term for what Americans call a, or 2) a term used both by Brits and Americans, who simply happen to have a synonym for it (i.e. ) that Brits don't use? If 2, then WT:HOSPITAL only applies to , not to  which is SOP. PUC – 22:05, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 2), though this is the first time I've ever encountered pipestem/pipestem driveway in this sense. You may notice that the Washington Post cite says what's called a "pipestem" driveway, as if the author doesn't expect anyone to have heard the term before. Chuck Entz (talk) 22:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I’d say ‘shared driveway’ is pretty SOP and could be deleted, though ‘shared drive’ would be more typical in Britain. There’s probably no point creating ‘pipestem driveway’ as we already have pipestem with this meaning but it would be a more justifiable entry as it’s rarer and less transparent than ‘shared drive(way)’. —-Overlordnat1 (talk) 23:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It can also be referred to as a "common driveway" or a "community driveway". There are also "shared accessway","shared walk"/"shared walkway", "shared alley"/"shared alleyway","shared service road", "shared access road", "shared private road", as well as things like "shared entrance", "shared stairway", "shared entryway","shared porch", "shared veranda", "shared elevator"/"shared lift"- not to mention "shared garage" mentioned above. Both parts of the phrase can be substituted with other words, and the concept can be expressed in other ways. It doesn't look that much like a set phrase to me. Chuck Entz (talk) Chuck Entz (talk) 00:10, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is very true. From experience, "shared accessway" and "shared access road" would probably be confined to legal contexts, but the others are all very plausible. It's difficult, though, because I have never, ever heard used, even though I commonly come across them in a property law context while dealing with developments. If even the people who build them don't use the term, that suggests it's simply not a British English term at all. Theknightwho (talk) 18:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have what I call a driveway, which is short, in front of the house and intended for off-street parking. The impression I get of a shared driveway is that it's intended for access to properties behind the properties fronting the street, and not for parking; each house accessed by it probably has its own off-street parking. DonnanZ (talk) 23:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There's also something called a "flag lot", which is surrounded on all sides by other lots and has a long driveway between other lots as its only access to the street (think of the driveway as the "flagpole" that the flag lot is attached to). It's not shared, and it's not short, but it's still a driveway. Chuck Entz (talk) 00:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Shared driveways and the like seem to be different from private roads, or at least some of them which provide access to properties but are privately owned and not dedicated to the public, although the public can use them. I can think of two around here with gravel surfaces, one provides access to the local railway station and is full of potholes. As they are not dedicated to the public, the local borough council is not obliged to maintain them. DonnanZ (talk) 08:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I lived on a shared driveway for much of my childhood and I've never heard it called a pipestem, but to be fair, we were on good terms with the other residents and so we pretty much just thought of it as "the driveway". I do remember calling it a right of way, which is technically correct per definition 4 that we list, but not specific to driveways and probably not in wide use as an alternate term for a shared driveway.  I'd say this phrase is sum-of-parts, as there is no other possible meaning of the phrase (e.g. shared with hiking trails) that someone would come up with even if they were unfamiliar with roads and property laws.  I vote to delete this, though perhaps we should mention on the pipestem page that it's uncommon so that learners don't get the undue impression that it's the primary term. — Soap — 09:27, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 19:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * RFD failed Pious Eterino (talk) 15:05, 19 August 2023 (UTC)