Talk:sootball

RFV supposedly passed, but fails WT:FICTION
...since all four citations refer to the creatures in the film Spirited Away. Equinox ◑ 22:56, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

RFV discussion: April 2018
A type of Japanese spirit. Apparently occurs in the anime Spirited Away (is it written as one word in the script, though?); searching finds mainly scannos for football. Equinox ◑ 20:24, 6 April 2018 (UTC)


 * cited Kiwima (talk) 00:50, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Good job! And apparently you found another meaning as well. Khemehekis (talk) 01:07, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 22:49, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

RFV discussion: May–June 2018
Japanese spirit sense. Recently cited by Kiwima, but all four citations refer to a creature from the Japanese anime Spirited Away (I actually mentioned this when originally challenging the word), so fails WT:FICTION. I am concerned that we are increasingly passing RFVs based on bad underresearched cites. Equinox ◑ 01:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Apparently the Japanese spirit is from Spirited Away, according to Wikipedia. 🤷 —Suzukaze-c◆◆ 01:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * It cannot be from the film ', since these characters also appeared in the earlier Ghibli film '. That said, this particular spirit may well be Miyazaki's invention.
 * I'm surprised to find that the JA WP article is at ja:w:ススワタリ (susu-watari), as I'd always heard the name as instead, a compound of  +, literally "where the soot touches", in reference to a sooty section of a wall or ceiling, not uncommon in older Japanese rural house styles with an open hearth, and where woodsmoke was part of how the thatched roof was preserved and protected against bugs, moisture, and rot.  This particular term is uncommon, but attestable.
 * I wonder if there are any interviews or other commentary by Miyazaki about this character. Perhaps the name susuwatari arose as a shift from susu-atari?  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:00, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 22:38, 1 June 2018 (UTC)