Talk:stay wicked fah apaht

RFD discussion: January–April 2022
This is a set phrase, literally created for this specific purpose in this specific context. Purposeful pronunciation spelling and the regional wicked included for the purpose of resonating with northern NE communities. The dialect is used in this specific way in these instances on purpose. It's a phrase that was created, and used throughout a community to communicate a very certain meaning that isn't necessarily deducible without a lot of context provided, so in my view it counts as a WT-able term. I challenge you to find another construction, such as "stay fah apaht" used in this same context (about COVID pandemic, used to resonate with travelers and locals, etc.) to prove a case that it's SOP and not a set phrase if that's what you mean to put here.

If you meant to send this to RFV, hint, local newspapers tend to count for us as citations because they tend to also appear on paper. I found at least 3 that I thought were valid.

Keep as I wasn't the one who tagged it. PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 00:35, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Does Wiktionary have similar set phrases, except for the phrasebook? I think you can understand it by looking up the parts. General Vicinity (talk) 07:34, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. See the entry for set phrase itself! Technically deducible from its own parts, but only used in a specific context and uses specific senses of each word. PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 13:55, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * A public health warning which needs a dictionary entry to explain it? Fail. – Jberkel 10:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "The word apple needs a dictionary entry? Why? Everybody knows what an apple is!" PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 13:53, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't buy the "conveys real meaning" bit. It's just a phrase engineered to be witty and to circulate through social media. And look, now it's here. – Jberkel 15:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I hate social media as much as the next guy here (presumably), but that doesn't say anything about whether or not social media slang deserves entries. PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 15:31, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Internet/social media slang is fine, and probably one of the main sources for new words now. But we're discussing a dead horse. I'd rather create new entries instead. – Jberkel 17:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. If slogans aren't dictionary material (as they shouldn't be), why should this? &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 14:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Because it's a set phrase, conveys real meaning (therefore can't be argued to be mention-only), and is not entirely logically deducible from the sum of its parts without knowing the context it's in (that context being the current pandemic, and the geographic area). Also, a slogan is more like something that a specific company made up for marketing purposes, so would probably have to pass WT:BRAND. The phrase currently being debated (albeit barely) became common throughout communities and has nothing to do with any one organization, according to what I've thus far seen. PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 14:48, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It is "entirely logically deducible" if a couple years ago you could've said this to a group of people to tell them to stay far apart from each other for any reason and they would've understood it. There is nothing to suggest that wouldn't apply. Otherwise, by the same token, we could also have as "an encouragement to stay home and not go outside in order to not inadvertently spread a disease one might not be aware one has". &mdash; S URJECTION  / T / C / L / 14:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * stay home is a simple construction has been used in so many different contexts, with ~74 million Google results in quotes and 3 billion without. Meanwhile, stay wicked fah apaht as a construction, while technically SOP, has literally never been used in any other context in durably archived sources, other than the pandemic. Thus it can be concluded to be a set phrase. PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 15:04, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Not really. If another pandemic comes around, stay wicked fah apaht will still work. If an alien race decides that they'll instantly vaporize any two humans who come closer than six feet to each other, stay wicked fah apaht will still work. Everything about its current listed sense is contextual and everything else can be understood from its constituent parts. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 15:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * In my view, context is an incredibly important part of a dictionary definition, so shouldn't be given so little credit. Without the context, you don't really understand the phrase. You understand the basic meaning, but don't understand it in enough detail to know how to use it. Since the evidence shows the phrase has been used solely in this very specific context, that evidence leads me to believe it should be kept as a dictionary definition, with the context being explained. Really this could more-so be considered a hot word actually since usage started in 2021, so perhaps your arguments may become more apparent as a truth later. PseudoSkull vacay (talk) 15:15, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Context does not make an entry dictionary-worthy on its own. As I said before, otherwise we would already have, and so on all with COVID-related definitions, but we do not and should not. This entry is no different just because someone came up with it recently and it became popular due to prevailing circumstances. &mdash; S URJECTION  / T / C / L / 15:18, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 18:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. - TheDaveRoss  15:21, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per —Svārtava [t•c•u•r] 03:39, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. SOP: stay + wicked + fah + apaht. Old Man Consequences (talk) 03:32, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Pseudoskull. --Rishabhbhat (talk) 16:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's not used in language (e.g. prose) because it's a slogan, not a set phrase. DAVilla 20:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think the main question is not whether it's deducible from its elements, not even it's being or not being limited to a certain context, but whether its elements can be replaced by their synonyms (without any difference in its usage or scope), in other words, depending on the variability of the elements. If these elements cannot be replaced by their synonyms, then it's a set phrase and therefore it's a valid entry here. Adam78 (talk) 04:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: the sense of the phrase is discernible from its individual words, and it does not seem to be a set phrase any more than “practise social distancing”. — SGconlaw (talk) 05:48, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * RFD-deleted —Svārtava (t/u) • 02:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC)