Talk:tabatsoy

Etymology
I saw the etymology that you put. Note though that the taba + batsoy came from Zorc's dictionary. I'm not saying it's definitely right, but it's the only one that's published. As for your theory of being influenced by the English "fatso", it seems very unlikely as it would mean that the term "fatso" would first have to be popular in the Philippines, for a derivation like that to happen among the masses, but it's not really. "Fatso" is even a new slang in English, seems to have just appeared in the 1940's. However, the first attestation I can find of "tabatsoy" is in the 1960's, but it seems like the English word "fatso" never entered Philippine society during that time. To be honest, Zorc's etymology makes more sense to me, since "batsoy" is made of pork, so it makes sense to put "taba" and food made of pork together. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 09:17, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Mar vin kaiser I put the Zorc source there. Which page do you mean? Page 137 for tabatsoy just says at the end there " =ma- ¶ taba". Isn't a 20th century American English slang, which much of the 20th century Philippines pre and post-ww2 independence usually gets it's English slang trends from American English throughout the decades. This word I vaguely remember having watched black and white American films or cartoons at some point before, where they'd use words like this cuz they thought it was funny in those old American movies and cartoons depicting Americans talking American English with their 20th century slang, which I wouldn't be surprised if the same sort of American movies and cartoons were also presented in 20th century decades in the Philippines back then. I can't remember if there was an episode before of some cartoons of Batman where some characters talked in some sort of either New York or Boston accent and  was one of those words they'd use in their vocabulary. Mlgc1998 (talk) 11:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I misremembered what I read lol. Yes the one in Zorc is "taba+tsoy". What Zorc has is the entry "batsoy", slang for "fat person", as a clipping of "tabatsoy", or at least that's how he explains it. But if the word "batsoy" meaning "fat person" exists, it's impossible that it wasn't connected to the food that uses pork. But looking at the history of edits and my sources, yeah it seems like the "taba" and "batsoy" blend idea was from me, so I can't source it as originating from that. But it makes sense if "tabatsoy" is taba+batsoy, and "payatot" is payat+putot, but that's just me. For "fatso" though, and this is based on my personal assessment, if "tabatsoy" is from "fatso", it's one of a kind. No other Tagalog slang derived from American English buries the original English origin into the word, like the loss of the "f", the addition of "taba", and the additional of "-oy". In my mind, the only way this is possible if it's a coinage, meaning someone, possibly influential, invented this word while playing with words. This wouldn't have arisen naturally, unlike words like "apir", "bulakbol", "bakwit", "deds", "ebak", "bosing", "manyakis", and "promdi", pretty simple etymologies from English words. It's basically like, I think it's reasonable to say, if the explanation is more complicated, it requires more evidence. Anyway, I guess it's ok that we include both, but I think if we're to include all of this, we'd have to list the sourced etymology first and list ours last. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)