Talk:tarkhan

Noun section
Is this a better formulation? --89.204.139.113 08:29, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ...Turkic (i.e. Hunnic, Xiongnu, Khazar), Mongolic and Indo-European peoples (i.e. Scythian and Tokharian), especially in the medieval era, and prominent among the successors of the Mongol Empire.
 * Better. I'm not qualified to judge all the details, but at least you're not mixing together all the language families and labeling everything as Turkic, which is what prompted me to revert your previous edit. Chuck Entz (talk) 09:30, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. I'll fix it. --89.204.155.231 11:00, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Etymology
Would you like to review this etymology please? It mentions a lot of the languages you're familiar with (Armenian, Georgian, Russian) which is why I'm asking you. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed almost all of the added content because it seemed rather dubious (Korean?) and connected to a WP dispute; see w:Tarkhan&action=history. If you can review/expand/correct the etymology, that'd be great. - -sche (discuss) 14:40, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * -sche's version is good. I added few finishing touches. --Vahag (talk) 15:37, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

RFV discussion: May–July 2014
RFV of all senses. A sense similar to the first sense is probably attested, but it may need to be condensed and/or broadened. The other senses are more dubious. The citation assigned to sense 3 directly disclaims that the word has that sense; all of the citations for senses 2 through 4 are easily read as referring to a single sense ("a person who happens to be exempt from taxes") and it is not distinct from sense 1, as far as I have seen. (Among the first few pages of Google Books hits is the Historical Dictionary of Kazakhstan, which specifically notes that one of the rights which came with the aristocratic title was exemption from taxation. In other words, "(holder of) a certain aristocratic title" and "person exempt from taxation" are not separate senses.) The etymology is also sprawling and dubious (even after Mr. Granger's cleanup of it), referring to Korean, Mongolic and Etruscan; see the talkpage for discussion of it. - -sche (discuss) 20:44, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I created Citations:Tarkhan (which seems to be the most common spelling). The citations support the first sense and two new ones. — Ungoliant (falai) 00:44, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Great work! I imagine the lemma of the "noble title" sense should remain lowercase; many capitalized instances are probably just honorific (compare "King"). - -sche (discuss) 04:00, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Here’s what I gathered in my research: it was originally a title granted to exceptional warriors. Eventually it become an inherited title of lower nobility. The common characteristics to both types of tarkhan were that they were allowed to visit the king/khan/etc. without requesting permission and were exempt from taxes. — Ungoliant (falai) 04:13, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Closed. Cleaned up and untagged by nominator. — Ungoliant (falai) 17:37, 24 July 2014 (UTC)