Talk:thupër

*Upera
How can thupër come from Porto-Albanian *Upera if the original form, still present in Gheg, is thupën? When did -r- become -n- in Albanian? Muji28 (talk) 02:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Muji28 Where did you find the form "thupën" exactly? It is nowhere to be found online (at least with this spelling) except in a 2014 novel. On the other hand Mehmet Elezi in his Fjalor i gjuhës shqipe uses thupër even for Gheg Albanian examples such as in Asht bâ për thupër,  and he does not mention "thupën" anywhere.  Çabej and Orel also do not mention any "thupën". Another example can be found in the works of Luigj Gurakuqi  where he uses thupur instead of an hypothetical "thupun". But the most important example i have found is in the work of Frang Bardhi (1606, Lezhë). In fact in his Dictionarium Latino-Epiroticum (1635), written in the Northern Albanian variant, you can see that the Latin lemma verber was translated with shkop, thupre,  while the verb verberare was translated with me thupruem. Therefore, this hypothetical "thupën" just seems a case of hyper-correction (r:n). FierakuiVërtet (talk) 13:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Muji28 to make it more clear see . This word is identical in all Albanian variants and there is no "bukun". FierakuiVërtet (talk) 13:18, 19 November 2023 (UTC)