Talk:toril


 * Hi. I'm wondering about the suffix of this Spanish word. You see, apart from  (as well as  and ), all the members of Category:Spanish words suffixed with -il are adjectives, not nouns.

I suspect Spanish has a second suffix, which comes from 🇨🇬. Are there other words in Spanish for which such an analysis would make sense? For example, words that are descended from Category:Latin words suffixed with -ile? I see 🇨🇬 is said to have 🇨🇬 as a descendant, but we don't have an entry for that word yet. has a Portuguese descendant, so maybe Spanish kept the word too?

It's non-productive in French (I only know of the inherited, + the Spanish borrowing ), slightly productive in Italian (, , and maybe  + the words inherited from Latin: , , ). Canonicalization (talk) 22:54, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I've dug up some more non-adjectival uses:


 * (from the adjective)
 * (from Latin)
 * It's hard to see a connection between many of these besides the animal pens/general storage. There is a diminutive quality to some, but not as a standalone diminutive suffix. I didn't include some others that are agricultural (but not pens) from rural Spain, but suffice it to say that it's not a very productive suffix and that many words with it are unattestable. Its main sense has been almost entirely displaced by . Personally I would not add a sense to because I have no idea how it should be defined. Ultimateria (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this. I've found this Latin reference, which mentions two other Spanish words: (cognate with 🇨🇬) and . Canonicalization (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * (from the adjective)
 * (from Latin)
 * It's hard to see a connection between many of these besides the animal pens/general storage. There is a diminutive quality to some, but not as a standalone diminutive suffix. I didn't include some others that are agricultural (but not pens) from rural Spain, but suffice it to say that it's not a very productive suffix and that many words with it are unattestable. Its main sense has been almost entirely displaced by . Personally I would not add a sense to because I have no idea how it should be defined. Ultimateria (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this. I've found this Latin reference, which mentions two other Spanish words: (cognate with 🇨🇬) and . Canonicalization (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's hard to see a connection between many of these besides the animal pens/general storage. There is a diminutive quality to some, but not as a standalone diminutive suffix. I didn't include some others that are agricultural (but not pens) from rural Spain, but suffice it to say that it's not a very productive suffix and that many words with it are unattestable. Its main sense has been almost entirely displaced by . Personally I would not add a sense to because I have no idea how it should be defined. Ultimateria (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this. I've found this Latin reference, which mentions two other Spanish words: (cognate with 🇨🇬) and . Canonicalization (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's hard to see a connection between many of these besides the animal pens/general storage. There is a diminutive quality to some, but not as a standalone diminutive suffix. I didn't include some others that are agricultural (but not pens) from rural Spain, but suffice it to say that it's not a very productive suffix and that many words with it are unattestable. Its main sense has been almost entirely displaced by . Personally I would not add a sense to because I have no idea how it should be defined. Ultimateria (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this. I've found this Latin reference, which mentions two other Spanish words: (cognate with 🇨🇬) and . Canonicalization (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's hard to see a connection between many of these besides the animal pens/general storage. There is a diminutive quality to some, but not as a standalone diminutive suffix. I didn't include some others that are agricultural (but not pens) from rural Spain, but suffice it to say that it's not a very productive suffix and that many words with it are unattestable. Its main sense has been almost entirely displaced by . Personally I would not add a sense to because I have no idea how it should be defined. Ultimateria (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this. I've found this Latin reference, which mentions two other Spanish words: (cognate with 🇨🇬) and . Canonicalization (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

+ this Canonicalization (talk) 16:46, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I'm not finding any use of sedil as "pigsty". Ultimateria (talk) 22:55, 3 July 2019 (UTC)