Talk:transgendered

There's a discussion over at Talk:transgender that may be related to this. --Hirsutism (talk) 16:55, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've heard the argument that transgendered is completely analogous to red-haired, so it does not actually imply a process that "turns you trans", as it were. So, the argument that transgendered is offensive because it implies that trans is something that you become rather than something you've always been since you were born is questionable (even if you subscribe to the "born this way" narrative, which is controversial even among trans/queer people themselves – it's also possible that the narrative may fit some but may not fit others – although personally, I think it shouldn't actually matter; even if it were a "lifestyle choice", people have no right to discriminate against or oppress you over it, any more than over your religion or irreligion, tastes or food or fashion choices).
 * Be that as it may, I think it's better to describe transgendered as "increasingly considered outdated" – "rare" or "uncommon" is just factually wrong, as can be easily found out through a web search. It was common in the 1990s and early 2000s (I used it myself at the time due to this, because I saw queer people use it), as Julia Serano explains. Like Serano, I personally avoid the term now, because many trans people object to it and far less trans people object to transgender, and because it has now come to sound rather strange, clumsy and actually wrong to me as well. But that is only a function of changing social norms. The term used to be perfectly acceptable and was used as a self-designation. So instead of "uncommon, offensive, proscribed" I would at least put "outdated, offensive, proscribed". --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:49, 29 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the "transgendered is like blacked" thing seems to have no basis. Equinox ◑ 19:48, 26 September 2017 (UTC)