Talk:troon

RFV discussion: April–June 2020
Originally added under a capitalized form. &mdash; surjection &lang;?&rang; 22:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * This one is real. Popular among TERF/GCF bloggers on Tumblr, and seemingly elsewhere as well. Seems to specifically be a slur against trans women who don't pass well rather than a general slur against transgender people. Not citable yet, it seems. WordyAndNerdy (talk) 00:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've also come across this on several occasions though I can't be bothered to do the legwork for verification. I believe it's a portmanteau of trans + goon and originally referred neutrally to trans members of (see final sense of goon), so Googling "troon" + "Something Awful" will probably yield something. Generalisation might be from assimilation of other senses of "goon".—Nizolan (talk) 13:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I never made the "goon" connection but I think you must be right. "Troon" seems to be popular on too; they may well have got it from Something Awful. Equinox ◑ 13:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Nothing on Issuu as far as I can tell, although the fact that Troon is a place which a number of magazines are named after or write about means there's too much chaff to be sure. On Usenet, all I see are things like "a troon kite bag" and "a troon golf course" which seem like errors for the capitalized proper noun Troon = some place or company. - -sche (discuss) 20:16, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * What I can find are several uses of Citations:troons referring to some item of clothing (pants? underpants? a kilt?), if anyone wants to take a crack at defining that, and of course hits at referring to some fictional(?) beings which may not meet FICTION. - -sche (discuss) 20:16, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * As a point of interest, Urban Dictionary's early definitions (from as far back as 2005, and 2009, up through 2015) say this refers to a woman who looks like a man or a badly-passing trans woman but who is in fact just an ugly (cisgender) woman. It's only their later definitions (after 2017?) which say it's someone who is trans. - -sche (discuss) 20:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I'm not sure how far back troon as "trans SA member" goes, though based off hits on Twitter and SA itself it's at least 2010.


 * "Troons" the clothing article is definitely a British variant of "trousers" but I don't think it's a specific regional dialect. I can find examples from people in various parts of England and as a Brit I'm inclined to read it as just a funny portmanteau of trousers + pantaloons. For example here someone refers to "goretex DPM troons", i.e. these trousers used by the British Army. Fwiw the guy who posted about "yellow tartan troons" in the citation seems to say he's using it as a nonce word in the thread ("May one enquire what are, "Troons"?" / "A joke on my part aimed at Americans. It did not come off, often the case with Yanks"). —Nizolan (talk) 00:42, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * RFV-failed: apparently it hasn't made its way into durably-archived media yet. troons = trousers has been added, though. - -sche (discuss) 18:39, 21 June 2020 (UTC)