Talk:trut

RFV discussion: October–November 2018
Rfv-sense:


 * 1) (derogatory, euphemistic) bitch (pejorative term for a despicable or disagreeable, aggressive woman.)
 * 2) (derogatory) boring, narrow-minded or slow person.
 * 3) (formal) An interjection of contempt.
 * 4) (slang) 4/5 truth, mutable concoction of facts employed for an ulterior purpose.

I deleted senses 3 and 4, but readded them just so we can go through the process of verifying them. I also want to verify senses 1 and 2 because they were added by an anon and I can't seem to find sources supporting them. --Robbie SWE (talk) 19:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * According to The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia, the word in sense 3 is inherited from Middle English, which borrowed it from Old French, so it has a different etymology than senses 1 and 2. I think it may be dated. Sense 4 is a stupid joke and should be deleted. --Lambiam 20:34, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I could not find the word in several Middle English dictionaries; The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia gives  as the authority. --Lambiam 21:17, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The MED has it as an alternative form of 7 different terms. DCDuring (talk) 22:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Not all 7 seem to actually have trut as an actual alternative form. DCDuring (talk) 22:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The relevant one for the exclamation is prūt. The variety of forms makes me think this is imitative, like /. --Lambiam 01:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Senses 1 and 2 do not belong in English and should be deleted.
 * +1 for the previous comment - Nobody is using senses 1 and 2, that's ridiculous. Sense 4 is a joke, should be removed too. Regarding sense 3, I can't tell if that's correct. For some reason TRUT gives me the sense of "bold and fast change, bold appearance or disappearance", but that's just my gut feeling.
 * The fact that you have never encountered the term in senses 1 or 2 does not suffice to establish that nobody uses these senses. There is nothing ridiculous per se in the idea of people using this, any more than their using or .  --Lambiam 11:36, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I think what is ridiculous is the strong desire to import as many derogatory words as we can, from as many languages possible, and promote society regress by providing a strong arsenal to hurt people. We all have a responsibility to be human ambassadors, so I vote to remove sense 1 and 2. There is no record of this word being adopted in that sense, what keeps us from removing it?


 * It's not a vote, and this thread exists to find evidence for the use; if none is found, it will be removed. Equinox ◑ 05:29, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 04:17, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

German Trottel related ?
idiot, fool, boob, etc

Of Austrian origin. The exact etymology is unknown but presumed to derive from trotteln (saunter, ramble, walk without a specific destination). Flāvidus (talk) 14:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC)