Talk:twenty past

twenty past
Delete as SOP, add appropriate sense to "past". --Hekaheka (talk) 08:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I would keep it as an important example temporal phrase (no need to have similar, though - "ten past", "twenty five past") like last night, I'm twenty years old, etc. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 22:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If we don't have the sense at past (I haven't checked) then add it certainly, and redirect this there. (Or delete.) &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 23:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Definition says "twenty minutes past any hour", it's kinda pointless and self referential. Contains both the words 'twenty' and 'past'. Delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:15, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete for this reason (self-referentiality) and deprecate translation-only entries. Equinox ◑ 23:26, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. - -sche (discuss) 04:29, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

We also have at least five past, ten past, quarter past, twenty-five past, half past, five to, ten to, quarter to, twenty to, twenty-five to, but are missing fifteen past, fifteen to and all other numbers not already mentioned. We have this usage under the preposition past, but only in Usage note. It appears a wrong place to me, as in this usage "past" is not a preposition, but rather postposition, or adverb as ago. Further, "twenty to" etc. are listed as nouns, which I find questionable. --Hekaheka (talk) 15:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * They would all meet many noun tests in speech: "The train doesn't leave until twenty to.", "It is twenty to." "The clock read twenty to." "Twenty to is the scheduled departure." The omitted object of to doesn't seem to bother anyone.
 * Why aren't all of these replaced with or some more felicitous, briefer name? Then we can get busy on similar appendices for every other language. DCDuring TALK  17:23, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Good idea, appendicize. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:33, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The translations look like they mean “twenty past one.” — Ungoliant (Falai) 23:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * But how could you tell that once the page has been deleted? Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 16:56, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The header for translation table reads: "example: twenty past one". That's why the translations mean "twenty past one". --Hekaheka (talk) 19:12, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * @Matthias: I would be fine with every possible English time entry that is not a legitimate entry being a redirect to the English appendix of my dreams. Any that should happen to be or coincide with a legitimate entry could contain a reference to the Appendix. A bot could even do it. Then the same thing could be done with all all languages. The English appendix could contain a pseudo-translation table that referred the user to the Appendices that existed. I'd haven't yet found page at en.WP that could be a starting point, but we should find something useful somewhere, if we want to consider going this way. DCDuring TALK 22:03, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. — Ungoliant (Falai) 02:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Deleted. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 18:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)