Talk:whore

Whore out
Will someone add whore out in a see also section, also whorey.Acdcrocks 23:20, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible that the Arabic word "houri" - which is usually mistranslated as "virgin" - is a cognate of "whore"?


 * No, there is no connection. It is, however, cognate with Hebrew חיוור (hiwer, pale, whitish). Houri actually originally meant "white-eyed one" (referring to an intense whiteness of the eyeballs along with the lustrous black of the pupils, considered a mark of beauty), eventually coming to mean nymph. It only came to mean a voluptuous, beautiful, alluring woman when houri entered the European languages in the 17th and 18th centuries. The translation of it as "virgin" is wishful thinking. It is just as likely to mean white, seedless grapes. —Stephen (Talk) 08:01, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The "white grape" theory is probably one of the weakest points in Luxenberg's book. Of course, the Koran says that the dwellers of paridise are married to the hour al-ayn. And Luxenberg is aware of that, but has a theory that the word "married" as well is a (deliberate) misrendering of another word. It's a great book, but this particular theory is quite unlikely. And of course the "virgin" part is not wishful thinking either but based on a Koran verse that says that the hour al-ayn have been "touched by neither man nor jinn". And finally the details of the hour al-ayn as voluptuous alluring women are part of Islamic tradition and are by no means the product of European myth.

mistake
Afrikaans hoer, not hoor (Hoor is hear).


 * Thanks, fixed. —Stephen (Talk) 04:36, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

slang
synonym: fuckletta, old slang-synonym, Google it


 * Only ~400 Google hits, mostly rubbish spam pages. Equinox ◑ 15:12, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Verb addition
I believe the verb 'whore' should be modified to include to have sex outside of marriage (to fornicate or to commit adultery). The verb isn't just about sex with a prostitute, similar to how 'the verb' is in Hebrew and Greek in the Bible. Evidence is seen in Webster's 1828, and 1913 dictionary. In Webster's 1913 dictionary are the words for the verb 'whore': 1. To have unlawful sexual intercourse; to practice lewdness.

Noun change
The problem with these tertiary definitions of 'whore' is that they confuse what a 'whoremonger' is. In the Bible, a 'whore'/'harlot' appears to be a female prostitute, unless about certain cities. The final definition of 'whore' on Wikipedia is very off, a 'mistress or WIFE'?! Why would someone's wife necessarily be a whore? The quote from Shakespeare might be about a mistress, I'm no Shakespeare scholar, but it makes no sense to think all wives are whores. A whoremonger is one who has sex with prostitutes, female physical whores. The entry about 'whoremonger' is basically right, although it's also a general English word, and an American word: (Britain, vulgar) A frequent customer of whores. Notice the word 'customer'. That implies 'whores' are 'prostitutes'; a 'prostitute'- a female who has sex with males for money or similar compensation. A pity whore, loot whore, an attention whore, etc isn't really a whore. The reason for the word 'whore' in those terms is that they are like prostitutes with many sources of pity, loot, and attention. For the same reason, a sand dollar isn't a dollar/currency, it's a sea urchin/sea creature. A sea monkey isn't a monkey/primate, it's a shrimp/crustacean. A dust bunny isn't a bunny/rabbit, it's dust.

"considered to be"
The second sense should read "a promiscuous women", not "a woman considered to be promiscuous". Of course, I understand what the intended meaning is, namely to say that many women who're called "whores" aren't indeed promiscuous, particularly when compared to the very men who use that word. That's all true, but nevertheless the meaning of the word is "a promiscuous woman", not "a woman considered to be promiscuous". The fact that the word may be used in cases where doesn't actually apply doesn't change the meaning. And, of course, the same is true of many words. (Not everybody who's called "stupid" is indeed stupid, but "stupid" means stupid.)


 * ✅ Equinox ◑ 12:37, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

W
It lacks explanation about the W-.--Manfariel (talk) 22:29, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

RFV discussion: February–March 2020
Rfv-sense: “(derogatory, offensive, slang) Any woman.” --95.185.65.155 22:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Recently added by the same user who also added "A male, as opposed to a female." as a sense to nigga. That may either provide a possible collocation to search with, or a second entry to RFV... - -sche (discuss) 07:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, it's in line with ... I would have thought that calling a woman a "whore" in a derogatory, offensive way would just be using the prostitute sense, even if it isn't literally true &mdash; a bit like how "those morons in government!" isn't really suggesting that they have subpar intellect (only that they make bad decisions). Equinox ◑ 08:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm at least familiar with "bitches be tripping"/"bitches be like ___"/etc where that word seems to be used pretty broadly, perhaps to encompass women in general; I can't call to mind examples of such a use of "whores", although it might exist. You raise a good question, at what point does "broader" application of something as an insult become a new sense? (Getting off topic,) calling every uncool thing "gay" has its own sense, whereas calling a mannish straight girl a "dyke" does not seem like a different sense, but just asserting, even if knowingly inaccurately, that she is a mannish lesbian. But should "lesbian" mention that bullies could shout "lesbian!!" at any girl who looked or dressed mannish? In that case, the "relevant" sense of "lesbian" (≈"gay woman") is not restricted to mannish women. I guess finding citations is the first step. - -sche (discuss) 20:52, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 11:01, 28 March 2020 (UTC)