Talk:year of the pig

year of the pig
I don't think that this is dictionary-worthy, and certainly not in this capitalisation. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 04:35, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete it as sum of parts, but can we have pig, dragon, etc. defined as Chinese zodiac signs? --Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:35, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * They're just the animal though. The fact that a pig is a Chinese sign doesn't give it a different meaning, just a different context of use. That would be like having "penguin" defined as "the emblem of Linux". Equinox ◑ 04:42, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not very familiar with the Chinese zodiac, but we define the English zodiac signs independently even though they are constellations. Are the Chinese symbols used in a similar manner? - TheDaveRoss 13:48, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Mmmaybe. For one thing, the Chinese zodiac signs are usually capitalized. (I'm a Monkey, but I'm certainly no monkey). For another thing, they have synonyms (due to vagueness in the original Chinese terms) that the regular nouns don't. For example, in zoology goat and sheep are not synonyms, and ram is but a hyponym of sheep, but in the Chinese zodiac, the three terms (capitalized) are synonymous. Likewise Rat and Mouse are synonymous, and the Chinese Rabbit is synonymous with the Vietnamese Cat. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 15:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * At least in Portuguese, some (though not all) of the constellations themselves use actual Portuguese words, only they are usually capitalized. Example: gêmeos = twins; Gêmeos = Gemini (both the constellation and the sign). --Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:12, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, constellation names are usually translated (and capitalized). English is an exception. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 04:10, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename to year of the Pig and create Rat, Ox, Tiger, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster, Dog, and Pig. See also Cochon on French Wiktionary. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 04:10, 7 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep all, at this title or as alternate spellings of a capitalized title, whichever is more common. bd2412 T 20:27, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I can't close this as it stands, as the outcome would hinge on my own involvement. bd2412 T 02:09, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Abstain: upon a quick glance, I cannot summon the energy to actually look into this any closer. What are the closests analogs of this that we keep? --Dan Polansky (talk) 06:13, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Signs of the zodiac, perhaps? bd2412 T 15:12, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Signs of the zodiac are analogous to Pig, not to year of the pig, IMO. We have no "age of [sign]"s except Age of Aquarius, which has another definition besides the zodiacal one. - -sche (discuss) 20:10, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmm... "year of [the] X" is a usual construction for indicating the year when something happened ("year of the coronation") and/or the year when it was prominent/relevant/whatever (from Google Books: "2015 was the year of the library"), and this is SOP as "year of [the]" + whichever zodiac sign is up that year by the Chinese reckoning.
 * I agree with Meta that "pig" etc should probably have a sense-line for the Chinese zodiac, though; compare Virgin. Vietnamese, etc can presumably be part of the same line; compare the alchemical sense of fire.
 * The Chinese zodiac also reckons other lengths of time to be ruled by the signs, too, e.g. . They have a better claim to idiomaticity, because e.g. "the hour of the rat" can be defined as always the time from 11pm to 1 am (whereas the "year of the rat" is every twelfth of an infinite list of years). (The mere fact that the "hour" isn't 60 minutes doesn't strike me as inherently problematic, since I think "hour" can refer to non-60-minute periods in several contexts, e.g. when speaking of European monks doing something at the ninth hour in the era before widespread precise timekeeping. But it probably helps the idiomaticity of "hour of the rat", etc. Whereas, the year of the Pig is indeed a year...)
 * - -sche (discuss) 20:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * So, delete this IMO. I am relatively more open to hour of the pig, and to Pig and/or pig having a zodiacal definition (although only one should house the definition, the other should point to it using ). - -sche (discuss) 20:10, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, but create entries for the zodiac signs, as suggested by Daniel Carrero. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 20:24, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: going by Wikipedia's example, these should be capitalized; see, e.g., Pig (zodiac). bd2412 T 03:33, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete but keep the capitalised entries for the constellations. Nibiko (talk) 05:19, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Deleted; entries have been created for the Chinese zodiac signs. bd2412 T 18:01, 4 September 2016 (UTC)