Talk:zyzz

Strong keep: 
 * The term zyzz has been used for years.
 * A Google search for zyzz returns over 350 thousand results
 * An Instagram search for #zyzz returns over 1.4 million images

Amin wordie (talk) 10:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

RFV discussion: April–July 2016
Definition: All I can find on Books and Groups seems to be references to a specific bodybuilder, Aziz Shavershian, known on the internet as Zyzz. I see nothing supporting a generic sense such as this one. Chuck Entz (talk) 17:20, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * 1)  An Arab or Persian man living the lifestyle of a bodybuilder. Similar to a guido, he values appearances, grooming and fashion.
 * No, I couldn't find anything either. SemperBlotto (talk) 06:58, 17 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Zyzz is a popular term used for many years


 * A Google search for zyzz returns over 350 thousand results
 * An Instagram search for #zyzz returns over 1.4 million images
 * User:Chuck_Entz Please open a couple of pages on the Google and Instagram and you will see many tens of thousands of generic uses
 * Wiktionarians: please be more inclusive to internet and slang related words, even if you are not familiar with these new words due to old age, living under a rock, or other reasons.

I request that the RFV note to be removed. Alternatively, I welcome your counter-arguments. Amin wordie (talk) 10:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * If you want to change the rules of WT:CFI you must start a vote to do so. RFVs will not be removed on your whim. Equinox ◑ 10:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I wonder whether this exists in Persian or Arabic script and associated languages. DCDuring TALK 12:53, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Raw hits mean nothing, since they include the references to Aziz Shavershian and they don't distinguish uppercase from lowercase. Indeed, looking through the first few hundred regular Google hits, the only thing that matches your definition is the definition itself, cross-posted on a variety of sites pretty much word-for-word (what we refer to as mentions, since they only mention the term but don't actually use it). Everything else is random use of the 4 letters for things unrelated to bodybuilding. Even if there were usage, it doesn't count for our Criteria for inclusion. You're certainly free to make up terms and to try to promote them all over the internet- just don't try that on Wiktionary. Unlike Urban Dictionary, we have standards. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:27, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Chuck, If "raw hits mean nothing", see the 1.4 million Instagram images published by real human beings tagged with zyzz. Or do a YouTube search for "zyzz hair". You will find dozens of tutorials that don't even mention the person Aziz, but explain how to do the zyzz hairstyle. Zyzz is becoming a niche subculture, and is very similar to the guido which also happens to have derived from a first name. Amin wordie (talk) 14:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Counterarguments
 * Zyzz does not seem to be popular or used for many year. In fact there's no evidence that anyone has used it ever. Do you have any evidence whatsoever yo back you up?
 * You can get more hits than that for aaaaaa but that doesn't mean it's a word.
 * Instagram, who cares?
 * Instagram, who cares?
 * Again why should we include 'words' (Internet slang or otherwise) that have a combined zero uses that we're aware of it? Do you thoroughly reject the idea of evidence? What's your objection to it? Or if you don't object to it do you fancy coming up with any? If you were aware of any evidence instead of 'request[ing] that the RFV note to be removed' you'd cite it and get it over with.
 * Renard Migrant (talk) 17:24, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * "Instagram, who cares?" .. That's not an argument Renard. If you want to pat yourself on the back for not taking Instagram seriously, you are part of the problem. No wonder mere mortals under the age of 25 have never heard of Wiktionary. Amin wordie (talk) 14:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * At least you agree with all my other points, about the word not existing, and all that. Renard Migrant (talk) 15:36, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I never said that Renard. But in all honesty, I have done some research online and come to the conclusion that 'zyzz' as a word (not referring to Aziz) is indeed not well documented online. I became knowledgeable with this term from personal friends, using it casually (I'm zyzz brah or he's such a zyzz). So to me it felt natural that it was indeed a word, worthy of being included. Amin wordie (talk) 19:21, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That's great and all, but the question here is whether the word meets our standards, not your standards. Renard Migrant (talk) 18:23, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Failed – deleted. — SMUconlaw (talk) 19:49, 25 July 2016 (UTC)