Template talk:R:izh:Chernyavskij:2005

Source validity
, I wonder if a similar policy should be applied here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_self-published_works. To support the point that Chernyavskij's work shouldn't be used as a reference, here's a few examples that Mehmet Muslimov has pointed out: --KirillW (talk) 21:30, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * puuro. This the most obvious example, because this form doesn't exist anywhere in Ingermanland, but rather comes from Standard Finnish. The correct form should be pudro.
 * paleltua. Also Standard Finnish, Ingrian is palentua.
 * kassen. Something weird (along with the "ss-stm" gradation). The actual word is kasse.
 * kiissa. Should be kiista and there's no support in other dictionaries for the proposed meaning. Also it's not possible to have ss in nominative and z in genetive.
 * keträtä. Should be either kedrätä or kezrätä. The meaning is "spin" as to "make yarn", not "go rounds".
 * tegrastaa. Not found in other dictionaries. For "to slaughter" leikata is used. The form seems to be an ižoraized Finnish word teurastaa.
 * I'm afraid that since we don't know if the source is primary or not, and especially until we create the equivalents of most of Chernyavskij's entries, we can't do much more. Mass RFV is a bad option, since most of his terms are Ingrian, so I propose just focusing on the kirjakeeli forms for now, and marking Chernyavskij's forms with izh-form-Ch, and after we're far enough proposing some method of deleting them (if unverified) with a bot using that template. But we've a long way to go before we are close to that happening. Thadh (talk) 13:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I was lucky enough to come across a lecture by T. Agranat on Votic, that included a very nice piece about Chernyavskij. I have deleted all forms tagged as being specific to Chernyavskij and also deleted this template so that no new forms are created. If you find any other forms I've missed (because they weren't tagged by the reference template), you can tag them with the above template and I'll delete them, as well. Thadh (talk) 23:07, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Thadh Mehmet has finally published the long awaited review of Cherniavskij's book, see here: https://rodyaz.ru/pdf/23-2/RodnoyYazyk_2023_2.pdf (p. 193). KirillW (talk) 19:30, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I love it, thanks!! Thadh (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2024 (UTC)