Template talk:RQ:Herbert Travaile

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“Sgconlaw moved page Template:RQ:Herbert Travels to Template:RQ:Herbert Travaile: More accurately matches the work's title” (Special:Diff/64065289): The work’s title uses “travels”, not “travaile”. J3133 (talk) 14:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought this was one of those stub templates as there was no documentation, then I realized it wasn't. The problem is that the 1st edition (1634) is called A Relation of Some Years Travaile, [...] into Afrique and the Greater Asia, so I am now wondering how to incorporate that into the template. — SGconlaw (talk) 14:37, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I added the first edition. J3133 (talk) 15:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I made further edits. I'm not sure the 1677 work is the 3rd edition; it's called the "fourth impression" on the title page. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Why did you change “Th[omas]” to “T[homas]”? Begvnne etc. should use u instead of v as we lowercase the titles and v is not the first letter. J3133 (talk) 16:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Also you removed the brackets from “2nd edition”; the edition is not mentioned. J3133 (talk) 16:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You also removed the alternative titles. J3133 (talk) 16:59, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * pageref was supposed to be used for unnumbered pages; perhaps you could list all of the changes. J3133 (talk) 17:04, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Where are these "alternative titles" from? The bibliographic standard is to use the title that appears on the title page.
 * In the 1st edition the author is indicated on the title page as "T. H.", so I rendered this as "T[homas] H[erbert]". As the author was not indicated on the title pages of the 2nd and 4th editions, I used the way in which the author was indicated at the end of the epistle dedicatory.
 * Perhaps I'm unfamiliar with the use of u and v in titles – do explain? I've just been reproducing them as they appear.
 * Just to note that the OCLC confirms that the 1638 version is the 2nd edition.
 * It's inadvisable to use pageref for unnumbered pages. In other quotation templates it is used to specify the numbered page to be linked to if more than one page is specified, that is,.
 * — SGconlaw (talk) 17:24, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Alternative titles: 1st edition; 2nd edition; 4th edition; e.g., see Wikipedia; WorldCat (“Other Titles:”); a book for uses. J3133 (talk) 17:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Alternative title: “Th: Herbert”; “To the Right Honorable Philip”: “Th. Herbert”; also “To His VVorthy Cosen, Thomas Herbert, Esquire”.
 * I will quote Firejuggler86 who made this change in another template (Special:Diff/61672520): “it was *never* written 'Ivlivs'; by this time, V was only used for U in capitals. So, IVLIVS, but Iulius(!). Furthermore, in the middle ages, when lowercase v and u represented the same letter, v was used strictly at word beginning; mid-word was always u”. Wikipedia (V § History): “The pointed form "v" was written at the beginning of a word, while a rounded form "u" was used in the middle or end, regardless of sound.” E.g., the King James Version uses “SCRIPTVRES” in uppercase and “scriptures” in lowercase.
 * pageref was used for unnumbered pages only if pages is not used.
 * J3133 (talk) 17:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * pageref was used for unnumbered pages only if pages is not used.
 * J3133 (talk) 17:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)