Template talk:Venice

Template:Venice
This is just ridiculous. Do we want templates for every major country, region or city in the world? For dialectal use, sure, as or  (France) can refer to specific dialectal words. But we don't want templates for individual monuments in individual cities, do we? Mglovesfun (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If you check the usage, and know Italian dialects, this is dialectical. Merely the display is wrong.  Venice was an independent nation for a long, long time, and has its own dialect that used to be (and may still be) spoken in the Veneto, Istria, and some neighboring parts of Croatia. --EncycloPetey 20:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It currently displays not . I'd supported a Category:Venetian Italian without a second thought, but this template would need to be orphaned and recycled first. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

This label's use was mixed up as topical and also, possibly, dialectal. See Beer_parlour_archive/2009/March. I'd nuke it and start fresh if someone can actually identify Venetian regionalisms. —Michael Z. 2010-04-10 06:44 z 
 * I'll see what I can find, but Semper might be a better (and faster) source for such a word list. --EncycloPetey 06:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I would just leave it alone. It puts words into a Venice category - so our users can find all words related to the city, and used in the local dialect (haven't yet found a reliable source for that). SemperBlotto 08:39, 12 April 2010 (UTC) p.s. If anyone wants to do the same for Ohio then I wouldn't object, but there is a big difference between not deleting something and advocating the adding of similar things.


 * It's only used on about 14 pages, convert to overt categories, and use this as a regional template. It can't do both, it would be like add words to Category:Cuban Spanish and Category:Cuba at the same time. How can the template tell which is which? Mglovesfun (talk) 12:32, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed. If we can't tell which of two distinct things are represented by the template, then it is harmful because it will only encourage more meaningless (non-)categorizations. It's an information black hole. Let's salvage what we can from the list of transclusions and del33t. For the record, it labels the entries listed below.


 * English: Cannaregio, Castello, Dorsoduro, Giudecca, San Polo. These labels simply represent the location of a landmark. Each definition's text already mentions Venice, so the label can be safely removed or replaced with a plain thematic category Category:Venice (although we do not use such categories, except for Category:London).
 * Italian: Actv, alboretto, altanella, bucintoro, Ghetto, Lido, sposalizio, vaporetto, Zattere. Some of these appear to be Italian equivalents of the above, and can have the template removed safely: Actv, bucintoro, Ghetto, Lido, vaporetto, Zattere. Only three look like they might be true regionalisms: alboretto, altanella, sposalizio. I suggest we leave the template on these three only, convert it to a proper regional template reading “Venice” by updating the text, adding regcat= and making the default language it. If they are not regionalisms, someone knowledgeable can remove the label.


 * —Michael Z. 2010-04-12 15:17 z 
 * I've made it as User:Mzajac suggests, hence kept but with a new format. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:43, 10 December 2011 (UTC)