Template talk:derived

from
This template is almost always supposed to be used after the word from, isn't it? --Z 16:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC) Z 16:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

etyl->der
If you are interested, I have a pywikibot command to replace etyl with der:

python pwb.py replace -transcludes:etyl -regex '\{\{(ety[lm])\|(.+?)\|([^-\}]+?)\}\} \{\{m\|\2\|([^\|\}]+?)' '{{der|\3|\2|\4' -lang:en -ns:0 -pt:0 -always -summary:'cleanup etyl->der' -limit:1000

This will not confound with cog since I put [^-] in it. --Octahedron80 (talk) 04:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


 * PS. Don't forget to put some amount of -limit --Octahedron80 (talk) 04:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Nice with a tool, but why has the community here decided the change the order of source and destination languages? If we want to make it as easy as possible, that order should not have been changed - as then "everybody" can just substitute etyl with der;-) ! B Lemeukx (talk) 16:26, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * {{ping|B Lemeux}}, the order was changed because in all other templates that use the code of current language section as a parameter, it is the first parameter rather than the second. — Ungoliant {{sup|(falai)}} 17:02, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

etyl => der - other reversals, too ?
Hej, when we go from model etyl to der, shall we also change the order in which we today quote our language-trail? In we have today: With der we have to also add terms in all interim places, though not strictly needed: if we "just" substitute the older with the newer model. Do we have to also change the order in which the languages are quoted, ie. to invert the direction, so that the destination language becomes the last one (though not even quoted textually!)? Like to:
 * From 🇨🇬 or from 🇨🇬, from 🇨🇬.
 * From or from, from.
 * From via  or from . B Lemeukx (talk) 16:43, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You don’t have to. The upper is the usual way still, and why shouldn’t it be? It gives the terms in chronological order from the newest. While the other would mean: The oldest, then the newest, less new, and so on. Palaestrator verborum (loquier) 17:06, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to repeat the term every time, you can use the param "-": . --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 12:30, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Derivation from the same language
If I use this template for a derivation from an earlier lemma of the very same language (in cases when there is no convenient morphology template, e.g. syncope, attraction to another root due to folk etymology, suffixation from an unknown/unspecified root, etc.), it adds a "twice borrowed" category. Is it the intended behaviour? Apparently this kind of usage is not discouraged in the documentation. —Ain92 (talk) 21:04, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Examples
I think, this template could benefit from including some typical examples as found in borrowed or cognate. As a newcomer, the common usage of this template seems less clear.


 * Many of these templates lack examples. It’s not very welcoming or efficient to expect people to hunt through Wiktionary to find out how to use them.  Much better to always include examples.  —☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 05:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)