Template talk:el-see

Necessity?
Again, not sure this template is necessary. --Fsojic (talk) 09:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. At least it should say "see at: blabla". I got confused at first. --Dixtosa (talk) 17:29, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * (1) Where we have a lot of inter-related terms (see ) this is the easiest way to do it, would you prefer numerous links on each related page - each to be updated when necessary?
 * (2) Seems pretty obvious to me, surely a standard dictionary abbreviation (Greek use: ) - but to make it clearer I've added it. &mdash; Saltmarsh απάντηση 19:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * But why a Greek-specific template? Seems strange to have a lang-specific template for this — Mnemosientje (t · c) 14:32, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

To Template:see
Moving to Template:see < Module:see by Benwing2, as in Requests_for_deletion/Others. Thank you Benwing! &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; I 19:55, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

RFD discussion: November 2021–July 2022
Useless templet. Just list terms under ====Related terms==== or ===See also===. ·~  dictátor · mundꟾ  16:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as pointless. Theknightwho (talk) 11:15, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, completely redundant to l aside from the text before the link, which all the other languages manage to do without. This, that and the other (talk) 03:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep, (and  for information)
 * I have used this template over 5,000 times, it saves 9 keystrokes each time. That's why I use it.
 * Looking at περπατάω I see 11 terms listed under "Related…". Using saves having to repeat the list under each of the related terms as well as multiple edits if additions are made. That's why I created it.
 * If you don't like it I'm sorry, but I don't see that any of the points you make would justify deletion. — Salt  marsh  🢃  12:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep, please, as my good admin has created it.  and notifying . The reason, is the lack of an inline Template:see (with parameters e.g. {see|el|xxx}}) which at the moment redirects to Template:also. Which is meant for a different job: to place at top-of-page of similar spellings with different diacritics.
 * There are lemmata which are central: etymologically they are the source for a huge number of related and derived words. E.g. . At the entry or, we mention some closely related terms, andddd... last but not least, we need to let the reader know, that the full index of related is placed at ψυχή.  Like , where there is a full index by stem. At any related term, like , we end the brief Related Section  with the phrase: and see.
 * The central Related sections are not thesauri. They are the index a...z of all compounds, derivatives or etymologically related terms. This index is not repeated, except partially. Thank you. &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; I 13:27, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not unsympathetic to these arguments as far as they concern the interlinking and repetition of related terms lists. But is there anything Greek-specific about this template? Perhaps we could replace all uses of see with also and move this template to see. This, that and the other (talk) 02:06, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think generalizing el-see to see is a great solution. What do you think? If everyone agrees, I can do this work; the number of current uses of see is about 800, which are easily replaceable with also using a bot. Then el-see can be replaced with el (same number of characters). Benwing2 (talk) 03:56, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the constructive response! There's nothing Greek-specific at all about el-see. Except at the time there was no generic alternative. I think it should retain the l-related structure — by all means go ahead — Salt  marsh  🢃  05:11, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have renamed the existing see -> also. I am in the process of writing see to work like el-see but support multiple terms; I have to finish this tomorrow though as it's nearly 1:30am here and time to go to sleep :) ... Benwing2 (talk) 06:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , thank you. A multipositional template would be very nice. 's el-see inspired the el:Template:cf for such a function. It can be used in any text, and is very useful. Thanks. &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; I 07:12, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * — Sounds good, thank you — Salt  marsh  🢃  08:38, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Should be working now at see. Benwing2 (talk) 19:03, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you mind if I do a run to convert existing uses of el-see to see? BTW the templates work almost the same, but the handling of gender is a bit different. Because there are multiple terms, the g param takes a comma-separated list of genders. In addition, in place of  use   to indicate something that can be either masculine or feminine. Benwing2 (talk) 19:37, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay and thank you for your work on this. I have just noted that in some places el-see has been used with positional arguments, they don't work but I would like try and isolate and correct these before you do anything - I hope that is OK? Just one question — is there an intention that comma separated gender parameters should become general (in HWLs, l, etc)? If not this may confuse. — Salt  marsh  🢃  05:31, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * PS BUT I do think that it's a good idea! — Salt  marsh  🢃
 * Hi. I already started running the conversion script but it has a check in it for positional arguments other than 1, and refuses to make any changes in that case (and outputs a warning to the log file). It should finish soon and at that point all the remaining uses of el-see will be those involving mistaken positional arguments. As for comma-separated gender params, this is currently supported everywhere there are multiple positional terms (syn/ant, alt, desc, affix, ...). It's not yet supported for l and other templates supporting only one term, but IMO it would be a good idea to support it. Benwing2 (talk) 05:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I see now the need for comma separated g because of the use of g2 with additional terms.
 * And I have found some badly argumented uses of el-see and would like to correct those that I can find before you make the change. — Salt  marsh  🢃  06:00, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I stopped the conversion script running. Generally the bad arguments get caught when changed to see because of the validation that's now in place, and I have been fixing them as I've seen them. Let me know when you are ready for me to resume the script, thanks. Benwing2 (talk) 06:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * OOps! I understand. —  Salt  marsh  🢃  06:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you waiting - may I leave the rest for you - thanks — Salt  marsh  🢃  06:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)