Template talk:fr-conj-é-er

jeter
Since discussing this via edit summaries isn't really working for me …

None of this will be news to you, but I'm writing it out so you see my thought process.

Before 1990, verbs like lever: and verbs like jeter: had their written stem changes in the same parts of the conjugation (specifically, everywhere where the next vowel was a silent-or-schwa &lt;e&gt;), while verbs like espérer: had their written stem changes in slightly different parts (specifically, everywhere where the entire ending was &lt;e&gt; or &lt;es&gt; or &lt;ent&gt;). In most people's speech, verbs like espérer: had their vowel changes in the same parts as verbs like lever: and verbs like jeter:; but this wasn't reflected in writing.

In 1990, the Academy recommended that verbs like espérer: have their written stem changes in the same parts of the conjugation as the spoken vowel changes, and therefore in the same parts of the conjugation as with verbs like lever: and verbs like jeter:.

At the same time, the Academy recommended that verbs like jeter: be conjugated instead like acheter: (i.e. like lever:), except for jeter: itself, and its derived forms, as well as appeler: and its derived form rappeler:. That recommendation isn't really relevant here, except insofar as it limits our examples (because something like “verbs like ruisseler:” would be ambiguous).

The reason I wrote “and also matching the conjugations of verbs like lever: and jeter:” was to indicate the two other conjugation patterns that match; replacing jeter: with peler: defeats this, since it's then giving two examples of one of the two other conjugation patterns that match.

—Ruakh TALK 17:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You are mistaken: jeter: was specifically amongst the verb that were exempted from the ette -> ète switch ("On ne fait exception que pour appeler (et rappeler) et jeter (et les verbes de sa famille), dont les formes sont les mieux stabilisées dans l’usage."). It's even explicitly stated in ! As such, "jète" is and will remain incorrect, barring a drastic change in practices, and lever: or amener: will never conjugate like it. Circeus 19:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you must have misread my comment? I explicitly said, “At the same time, the Academy recommended that verbs like jeter: be conjugated instead like acheter: (i.e. like lever:), except for jeter: itself, and its derived forms, as well as appeler: and its derived form rappeler: ” (emphasis added). The point is that all these verbs have their stem changes in the exact same parts of the conjugation. —Ruakh TALK 20:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I still thoroughly disagree in drawing a parallel. Even though the changes are at the same place, so are those of cueillir:, and you wouldn't say it conjugate the same way. Circeus 22:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Wait, what? The changes of cueillir: are in the infinitive, past participle, simple past, and past subjunctive. (Or, if you prefer: the changes of cueillir: are everywhere except in the infinitive, past participle, simple past, and past subjunctive.) The changes of jeter:, lever:, and préférer: are in certain parts of the present indicative, certain parts of the present subjunctive, certain parts of the present imperative, and all of the future and conditional. How are those "at the same place"? And anyway, I'm not saying they "conjugate the same way", just that they match in a certain way (specifically, that they match in the choice of forms that undergo the spelling change). —Ruakh TALK 23:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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This should use, currently it's a separate template. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:32, 10 April 2010 (UTC)