Template talk:it-stress

RFD discussion: June 2018–June 2019
I think this template is now pretty redundant if we consider that stress can be easily added like this: (which is what I usually do). , since you use it regularly, what is your opinion? [ ˌiˑvã̠n̪ˑ ˈs̪kr̺ud͡ʒʔ ˌn̺ovã̠n̪ˑˈt̪ɔ̟t̪ːo ] (parla con me) 16:56, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think is better used to show the hyphenation of the lemma form of a word; that is why I find  to be useful in indicating accents where they are not explicit. — GianWiki (talk) 19:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I see… but in the end most Italian dictionaries that show hyphenation show stress in the same instance; I mean, I think it’s just more practical to have both things together. Let’s hear some other opinion. [ ˌiˑvã̠n̪ˑ ˈs̪kr̺ud͡ʒʔ ˌn̺ovã̠n̪ˑˈt̪ɔ̟t̪ːo ] (parla con me) 19:17, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. I concur with Ivan. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 13:33, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - didn't know it existed. Italian stress is pretty uniform anyway. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:36, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That is very untrue. Italian stress is not predictable from orthography, and our entries should ideally indicate the stress with IPA and maybe the hyphenation template too. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd like to fail this template, but where it has been used, the stress has generally not been marked on the corresponding template. Is there any bottable way of copying it over? (The information itself won't be lost either way, seeing as we also mark stress in the IPA, but it would be better to do this than to remove  and leave the hyphenations without stress marking. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 17:52, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can write a function in Python to transfer the accent mark from to . — Eru·tuon 19:09, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I wrote a function that takes and  and returns, so that's something. I'm not sure if it can deal with everything, like the odder cases of  . — Eru·tuon 01:57, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Is that a complete list of odd cases? I can do those by hand if so. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:19, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a complete list as of June 1st when the dump came out. It's anything that when decomposed contains characters other than hyphen, space, basic Latin letters, and acute and grave. — Eru·tuon 23:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I cleaned up all the odd cases by hand, so the only ones that remain fit Erutuon's function as described above. Would you be able to clean these up by bot? —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 21:00, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I wrote a script to do this and I'm running it now to check that it can do the accent transfer. Note that there are additional "odd" cases not included in Erutuon's list above, e.g. places where is used but not /, which will need to be handled by hand. Benwing2 (talk) 06:00, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * How many of those are there? If it's a few, I'll do them by hand, but if it's a lot, it's probably not worth the effort and we should just remove the it-stress. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:23, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There are 149 of them, and 21 other cases (multiple it-stress templates, two accents, mismatch between it-stress and hyphenation, etc.). I'm not sure whether 149 is too many to do by hand; I think it's probably worth it to add hyphenation to all of them, but you're the ultimate arbiter. Benwing2 (talk) 06:47, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The list of warnings is here: User:Benwing2/remove-it-stress-warnings. Benwing2 (talk) 06:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 149 seems like a lot — would it be possible to run a check on whether there's hyphenation in the corresponding it.wikt entry that your script could use? —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 23:32, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think that's possible, I'll look into it. Benwing2 (talk) 23:39, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Another possibility is just for you to edit User:Benwing2/remove-it-stress-warnings and add hyphenation to the page links, e.g. change palindromo to pa.lin.dro.mo. This should be quick even for 149 entries, and I can write a script to copy the hyphenation to the appropriate pages. Benwing2 (talk) 23:49, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I applied all the changes you made, and then reran the script after modifying it to correctly handles rhymes pages. There are 114 more warnings now in User:Benwing2/remove-it-stress-warnings, all of them concerning rhymes pages. If you could annotate the template call in those warnings with periods like you did before, I will have my bot apply them and we can then delete the template. (You can't annotate the page names because they have phonetic notation in them rather than Italian spelling.) Benwing2 (talk) 21:11, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete; move its function either to the hyphenation template or the headword line. —Mahāgaja · talk 06:23, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete; thanks everyone for working on this. – Jberkel 07:52, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Orphaned and deleted. Benwing2 (talk) 18:20, 30 June 2019 (UTC)