Template talk:l/la

RFDO discussion: May–December 2015
This is a particularly bad offender among l-subtemplates in that it doesn't have the automatic stripping of macrons from target page names that does. For example:


 * gives . Correct display, correct link
 * gives . Right display, wrong link.

So rather than equivalent to it is inferior to it. Renard Migrant (talk) 15:31, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. In rare cases, macron-, breve-, and diaeresis-stripping (which is done automatically by ) is undesirable; see, for example, Citations:conāta and Citations:suscēpit. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 23:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * You can prefix the term with : to disable all processing.  → . —CodeCat 05:45, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete, and, you ought to reconsider given what CC added. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 06:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Whoa, why do we even have Citations:conāta and Citations:suscēpit? Just because some editors choose to add some diacritics in their learners' editions doesn't mean that and  are actually alternative spellings of  and  that we need to record. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 10:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * @Μετάknowledge: Yes, given what CodeCat wrote (thanks, CodeCat), I now vote to delete . @Aɴɢʀ: The rationale for not having macra in page titles is that they don't occur in running text; macra and breves are rarer than diaereses and acute accents, but they do occur, as you can see. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:26, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * They occur all over the place in pedagogical works for Latin learners, like the book the citations given are from. We've decided not to include them in page titles, so I see no need for corresponding Citations-namespace entries for them. Usually if there's a Citations page for a mainspace redlink, it's because there's an expectation that the mainspace entry will be created as soon as there are enough citations for it, but these entries with macrons should never be created. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:37, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * @Aɴɢʀ: WT:ALA gives "macrons do not appear in written Latin or in reproductions of literature and texts" as a rationale. Since that isn't true in this case, that rationale doesn't apply. "We've decided not to include them in page titles" because of certain reasons; if those reasons are inapplicable, the decision ipso facto becomes inapplicable. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:08, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It's never been true if pedagogical works like this one are taken into consideration. There are plenty of books that show all relevant macrons (rather than just a select few like the book cited does). We have chosen to ignore such works and represent Latin words without macrons, just as we've chosen to show Old English words without macrons (even though the macrons are present in plenty of Old English readers) and Hebrew and Arabic words without vowel points (even though the vowel points are present in editions of sacred texts as well as material for learners). So "macrons do not appear in written Latin or in reproductions of literature and texts" is untrue taken at face value, but it's still good practice to omit macrons for Latin (and Old English) at Wiktionary. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:15, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Keep. (Changing my vote again…) is needed on WT:RE:la/L&S because the number of required transclusions leads to module errors when using  (i.e., the  template works fine up to, but from  onward all one gets are module-error messages). — I.S.M.E.T.A. 02:58, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


 * If it's only for one page, we can just use normal links. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 03:03, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree with Metaknowledge. —CodeCat 03:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Not really, because I specifically changed the plain double-bracket links on that page to use to make use of the OrangeLinks gadget. That's moot now, however, because Chuck Entz has moved and split the lists over subpages, so that the numbers of transclusions on each of the pages are now sufficiently small that they can be handled with  without generating module errors. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


 * But why wouldn't you just do that with normal links, as we suggested? zzxjoanw works perfectly well... —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


 * @Μετάknowledge: That's not something it was possible for me to do using the replace-all function on Notepad. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 20:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Not anymore. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:13, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


 * What a good idea! (Why didn't I think of that?) Also, thanks for sorting columns on WT:RE:la/L&S/C and WT:RE:la/L&S/D. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Delete. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Deleted. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 23:34, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

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