Template talk:mnw+pi-noun

RFD discussion: August–October 2021
We have Pali entries in Mon script, and we should not put them under Mon headers. This user's messy experiment should be deleted. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Just speedy-delete em. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  14:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy Svārtava2 • 14:01, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * How would you deal with this mess of ‘Mon Pali’? ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  14:57, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I interpret "Mon Pali" as "Pali as used by Mons" and correct the entry accordingly. I am open to the possibility that the lexicon of the Mon variety is not closed.  If I think a word is wrong, I'll raise an RfV.  Someone needs to delete the claimed Mon word ; it has clearly failed RfV.  I've never implemented such a deletion, and I can't find adequate instructions on how to terminate the RfV process.  I wish we could train Dr Intobesa to provide sourced quotations - he's added some otherwise useful 'examples'. --RichardW57 (talk) 16:22, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There's a cluster of translations into 'Mon Pali', which I notice use the nominative singular as citation form. I'll convert them into explicit Pali, and leave an HTML comment 'Mon Pali' if I see any problems with them.  Most will be normalised to stem form in Roman script.  There are also some audio recordings tagged as 'Mon Pali'.  I'll move them to the Roman script form of Pali if not already there, and leave that tagging until we decide what to do about Pali recordings.  (They will have the same issues as modern Latin recordings would have.  The accent is very different from a Sri Lankan or Californian accent.)  The key trick is to search for insource:"Mon Pali". --RichardW57 (talk) 16:22, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't find any "Mon Pali" L2 headings. Either they've recently been cleaned up, or Dr Intobesa has learnt not to create them. --RichardW57 (talk) 16:22, 11 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , Mon Pali is an actual existing language in Burma, Mon Pali was very little known because it was the language used by the Mon Monk. I can say with certainty that the Burmese consonant 33 currently used by the Burmese people is derived from the Mon Pali consonant 33. The languages currently used by the Mon people are also based on the language of the Mon Pali, the names of the current Mon people are also in the Mon Pali language, now my name Intobesa is also in the Mon Pali language. I think the Mon Pali language was not included in the English language list because it was so little known, I tried to express the Mon Pali language but was unsuccessful. The Mon Pali language has been used by a Mon Monk named ဗုဒ္ဓဃောသာ Buddhayeosā from the fourth century AD to the present day, Mon Pali language and Pali language are different alphabets, due to differences in pronunciation, it needs to be classified as Mon Pali, English Pali, Thai Pali, Burmese Pali, although I cannot say for sure what the original Pali history is, I can say for sure the true history of Mon Pali. There are two types of consonants of Mon people, the consonants of Mon people are Mon consonant 35 and Mon Pali consonant 33. In this English Wiktionary, I tried to include a specific Mon Pali language, but my attempts failed because there was no language code for Mon Pali language, if possible, I would like to get a language code for Mon Pali language, I do not know how to request a language code for Mon Pali language, thanks.--Music writer Dr.Intobesa of Japanese idol NMB48 and BNK48. (talk) 21:43, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The samples of 'Mon Pali' that you have provided do not persuade me that Mon Pali is a different language from Pali. The differences in alphabet are not sufficient to treat the local variants as different languages - several languages are written in different scripts.  The differences in pronunciation are not reason enough either.  Where there are differences between the varieties, we can mark them up as dialect differences, as we do for differences between British and American English.  The usual place to request a language code is the Beer Parlour. --RichardW57 (talk) 07:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I've now eliminated the 'Mon Pali' translations. They highlighted a lot of problems, many of which relate to issues with A.P. Buddhadatta's pair of dictionaries.  One is that we seem to lack attestation of modern Pali.  There may also have been some drift in form over the centuries.  For example, has the standard canonical Pali  been replaced by  as in Buddhadatta's dictionaries? I think it would help if there were a rule that translations must consist of words with entries in Wiktionary! --RichardW57 (talk) 21:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Translations are a big source of new words, often added by native speakers who won't or can't create the entry themselves- it would be a shame to cut that off. Of course there are also lots of bogus translations added by people who don't know the languages of the translations.
 * The standard as I understand it is that translations should be terms that would be valid as entries, with the added condition that rare and obsolete terms should be avoided: they should answer the question "how would you say X in language Y", not "what are all the weird ways that someone might have said X in language Y sometime it history". SOP translations can be added with the parts linked separately. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


 * RFD-deleted. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:11, 8 October 2021 (UTC)