Template talk:simile

Requests for deletion/Others - kept
Kept. See archived discussion. 09:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

skey
If we ever get stringfunctions, the skey on this category should omit "like " if it exists at the start of PAGENAME.&mdash;msh210 &#x2120; 17:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:simile
This is not a context label. --EncycloPetey 21:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the terms 'context' is a bit restrictive - transitive and intransitive aren't contexts either, they give useful, grammatical information about the word/term. This seems a lot less easy to justify, probably delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Agreed that it is not a context label, but is every bit as justified as "transitive"/"intransitive", "passive", and a host of others.  This seems like something worth keeping in the contag space.  -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 21:46, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Primary difference (IMO) transitive is an adjective, this is a noun. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Re:Atelaes: "Transitive" is a subclass of verbs, contrasted with "Intransitive". What is "simile" a subclass of?  What is its contrasting state?  A simile can be an Adjective, Clause, Phrase, or Sentence, so this is not grammatical context like the other items you mention, which designate a subclass of a particular POS. --EncycloPetey 01:22, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

We have mixed grammatical labels together with restricted-usage (wt: “context”) labels, because they look the same in most dictionaries. I think this is one of the former. —Michael Z. 2010-05-15 22:43 z 
 * I think we have three classes of legitimate tags: grammatical (mostly complement information), situational context (register, geography, special realm), and semantic/grammatical restrictions (eg, "of a plant or insect"). Is the last to be considered a type of grammatical restriction? It might be nice to have some typographic differentiation between/among classes of tags. DCDuring TALK 00:44, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The last is usually unique, so it makes sense to write it in the definition, instead of confusing everyone by adding a class of label. —Michael Z. 2010-05-16 06:58 z 
 * Then we have another substantial clean-up job. DCDuring TALK 20:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Is "simile" a characteristic of a sense of is it the characteristic of a PoS (or of an L2 or Etymology or Pronunciation n) header? In English by most definitions a simile is marked by the presence of "like" or "as". In the absence of such a marker wouldn't we call it a metaphor (which could be sense-level)?
 * If "simile" is not ever sense-level in any language, then we need not have the context tag. But, unless that can be shown, Keep. DCDuring TALK 00:44, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Make that four classes. We have rhetorical-device context labels: metaphor, simile. We could probably use others: hyperbole, metonymy, and others applicable to proverbs.


 * These are categories of terms or phrases. Why do they need labels? Simile, at least, doesn't seem like it would ever be applied to one sense of a term but not another.  Metonymy seems like etymological info, or part of a definition. —Michael Z. 2010-05-16 06:58 z 
 * If we delete this, where in entries do we explain that they are similes? Mglovesfun (talk) 09:20, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Either in Usage notes, or just with example quotations and a category placement. Possibly an appendix. --EncycloPetey 19:45, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In English, the presence of "like", "as", or "than" in a phrase is required and that would seem to mean that simile-hood is a characteristic of an entry not a sense. An entry can be marked by a category and does not necessarily require a sense-level marker.
 * Can anyone identify any language for which that is not true? (sufficient to Keep)
 * Is it true in all languages that "simile" is not sense-specific? (necessary to Delete)
 * -- DCDuring TALK 20:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I could envision a very common simile having a higher-level, figurative meaning. But I don't know of any that do. Maybe like a hundred bucks, a sarcastic play on like a million bucks (but strictly, still a simile). —Michael Z. 2010-05-17 01:34 z 

Kept, should have been closed a few months ago IMO. --Mglovesfun (talk) 11:24, 11 April 2011 (UTC)