Template talk:th-pron

Alternative table format
vs the current format at.

Thoughts? Wyang (talk) 06:21, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you, yes. I think this entry พล may need the same treatment as well. I have removed the original IPA, thinking that alternative readings belong to derived terms. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 07:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * It seems like a lot of good screen space is wasted though. My suggestion:


 * —suzukaze (t・c) 08:17, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Good thinking. The table seems a little crammed though. How about this:


 * {| cellpadding=15 style="border-spacing: 2px; border: 1px solid darkgray; text-align:center"

!bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray;border-right: 1px solid lightgray"| Orthographic !bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray;border-right: 1px solid lightgray"| Phonemic !bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray;border-right: 1px solid lightgray"| !bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray"| IPA (key)
 * rowspan=2 style="border-right: 1px solid lightgray"| ชล d͡ʑ+l
 * style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray"|ชน d͡ʑ+n
 * style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray"|chon
 * style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray"|
 * [bound form] ชน-ละ- d͡ʑ+n — l+a+-
 * chon-lá-
 * }
 * chon-lá-
 * }
 * }


 * The only downside is with a long word:


 * {| cellpadding=15 style="border-spacing: 2px; border: 1px solid darkgray; text-align:center"

!bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray;border-right: 1px solid lightgray"| Orthographic !bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray;border-right: 1px solid lightgray"| Phonemic !bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray;border-right: 1px solid lightgray"| !bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray"| IPA (key)
 * style="border-right: 1px solid lightgray"| กรุงเทพมหานคร k+r+u+ŋ+e +d+b+m+h+ā+n+g+r
 * กฺรุง เทบ มะ-หา นะ-คอน k+ VL +r+u+ŋ e +d+ɓ  m+a&thinsp;—&thinsp;h+ā  n+a&thinsp;—&thinsp;g+a/o+n
 * grung têep má-hǎa ná-kɔɔn
 * }
 * }
 * }


 * In which case rotating would be better:


 * {| cellpadding=15 style="border-spacing: 2px; border: 1px solid darkgray; text-align:center"

! bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray;border-right: 1px solid lightgray"|Orthographic !bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray;border-right: 1px solid lightgray"|Phonemic !bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray;border-right: 1px solid lightgray"|Paiboon !bgcolor="#fafeff" style="border-right: 1px solid lightgray"|IPA(key) ()
 * colspan="2" style="border-bottom: 1px solid lightgray"|กรุงเทพมหานคร k+r+u+ŋ+e +d+b+m+h+ā+n+g+r</tt>
 * กฺรุง เทบ มะ-หา นะ-คอน <tt>k+ VL +r+u+ŋ <span style="border:1px dotted gray; border-radius:50%; cursor:help" title="Vowel sign appearing in front of the initial consonant.">e +d+ɓ  m+a&thinsp;—&thinsp;h+ā  n+a&thinsp;—&thinsp;g+a/o+n</tt>
 * <tt>grung têep má-hǎa ná-kɔɔn</tt>
 * }
 * Wyang (talk) 09:32, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Wyang (talk) 09:32, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * It's a good design by itself, but I feel like it currently doesn't really conform well to the rest of Wiktionary/MediaWiki :/ (generous white space wasn't a thing when Monobook was created)
 * The huge cell spacing combined with the  text feels a bit strange too. It feels disjointed (?)


 * —suzukaze (t・c) 10:15, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Please think about some words that can be read different four pronunciations. It is the maximum case I found. (It may have more when discovered.) --Octahedron80 (talk) 05:54, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Will they be under the same etymology or different etymologies? Wyang (talk) 06:02, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's different root. Please see สระ for example. More one sound [สฺระ] is not included because it's part of other words (but it has entry in dictionary). --Octahedron80 (talk) 06:06, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Format changed. Wyang (talk) 10:06, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Royal Institute
The does not seem necessary for this pronunciation template, as it does not represent pronunciation (tones, short/long vowels, etc). Having it here does not help anything. The existing Paiboon and IPA already suffice. --หมวดซาโต้ (talk) 12:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I think added it because the system is quite widely used. It is less distinguishing than Paiboon and IPA, but readers may find the RTGS transcriptions useful in some circumstances, I think. Wyang (talk) 13:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * RI is an official agent, makes official systems. This one is used allover the country; enough reason to include. Some languages already list possible transliterations/transcriptions under pronunciation section, such as Burmese. I still find some ways to override space and do caps on proper noun. --Octahedron80 (talk) 15:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Extraordinary pronunciation
Hello! Should we enable the template to indicate the "extraordinarity" of certain pronunciations (that are worth adding because of their popularity - I don't how to describe it correctly, and sorry for that), just like how it indicates the "bound-form" pronunciations? For example:

--Miwako Sato (talk) 15:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

You should not include them into same entries. I suggest to separate between หนึ่ง/นึง and so on. Yes, alt pronunciation are widely written either. FYI, no "bound form" occur with these words. --Octahedron80 (talk) 16:01, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * If these pronunciations can be indicated in the entry one way or another, it would be very helpful. Also:, pronounced with a high tone on the first syllable. Wyang (talk) 13:07, 23 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's gonna be so helpful. That's why I propose that the template should have some functions that allow indicating the characteristics (not sure how to call it) of certain pronunciations, just like how it indicates the bound-form characteristics. Examples are in this photo. --Miwako Sato (talk) 15:08, 25 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Seems good to me, thanks. I will add this function in later today. Wyang (talk) 22:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)


 * The qualifier function in pronunciations has been added; the format is . Please see  and  for examples. Wyang (talk) 08:49, 26 June 2018 (UTC)


 * It's off-topic but red-linked should produce 'nil' without the  but  should produce "rài". --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:27, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * : Thanks, Frank. Guys, please fix the issue above when you have time as well. Transliterations like "hrài" shouldn't be produced on undefined terms with spellings like - initial ห folowed by a consonant without a phinthu. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 08:56, 26 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Wow, that's so great! Thank you very much for your efforts!
 * I think it is just fixed with.
 * --Miwako Sato (talk) 11:01, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * : Thanks, I know about this. There are cases that should fail because there is not enough information and without "p=" (undefined, red-linked, without ) should produce nothing ('nil') rather than "hrài". Yes, great effort, thank you and sorry for the off-topic :( --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 12:00, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

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