Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Catalan verb morphology: other dialects

Hello,

I was wondering if you had plans in mind to cover the verb morphology of other Catalan dialects. I'm not necessarily requesting that you do anything about it, but since this seems to be your domain, I thought I might as well start talking to you about it, in case I or someone else might wish to take a stab at it sometime.

At the very least, the basics of Standard Valencian should get some sort of coverage; it's more or less like this (I may be missing a few things):


 * -e rather than -o for first-person singular indicative
 * jo parle
 * -isc rather than -eix for the first person singular indicative of the inchoatives and -isc as the base for most of their subjunctive forms
 * jo preferisc ... jo/ell preferisca
 * Lack of marking for first-person singular in the indicative for verbs like sentir and rebre
 * jo sent, jo rep
 * -ra- imperfect subjunctives (that more or less resemble the typical preterite endings) in addition to the normal ones
 * jo/ell parlara in addition to jo/ell parlés
 * e rather than i in the first-conjugation present subjunctives, a rather than i in the first- and third-person singular forms of third-conjugation verbs and e rather than i in the second-person singular and third-person plural of such verbs, a rather than i in the first- and third-person singular forms of second-conjugation verbs, and e rather than i for the remaining forms in second-conjugation verbs
 * jo/ell parle, jo/ell preferisca ... nosaltres preferim ... ells preferisquen, jo/ell incloga ... tu inclogues ... ells incloguen
 * Preference for different models for various verbs, such as llegir
 * jo/ell llig rather than jo llegisc and ell llegix/llegeix (though also valid), ...

Though, the AVL permits many variant forms and this may prevent us from simply shoving everything in the existing tables, depending on what we may wish to show and represent:


 * Inchoative -ix or -eix (both variants included in their tables)
 * Variant and classical forms (some included in the tables, others relegated to the notes beneath the tables)
 * jo faç (classical 1st. pres. ind. form) (in table) and jo lligc (in notes only)
 * Regional forms (notes)
 * First-person singular indicative -o rather than -e/0 from the northern Valencian dialects (jo parlo, jo llijo, ...)
 * Very formal present subjunctives/imperatives and first-person singular indicatives (only present in the inchoatives, I think; notes)
 * jo preferesc ... jo/ell preferesca

(I'll throw up some sample tables in userspace, if you want)

Finally, for words such as tenir and venir, the AVL prefers the -dre variants, having the -ir forms merely link to the -dre forms. What exactly should we do about this?

I myself think it would be best if we had a table for each dialect to help reduce confusion as much as possible, to allow the inclusion of as many forms as possible, and to make things easier for peripheral dialects that may deviate even more from Standard Central Catalan than does Standard Valencian. I would indeed eventually like to have the more peripheral dialects represented, but sadly, I cannot discuss them just yet... except maybe for Algherese since I have some materials for it (though, I'm still rather hesitant...).

What do you think?

Thanks.