Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Macedonian Passive Participles/reply (14)

Okay. I presume that this omitting will work with the help of the already-made noap=1 parameter.

As for the "има" series, there are 5, as far as I know (the 3 you see there, plus 2 future ones). Here are examples, with usages superficially explained:


 * имам копано - I have dug (at some indefinite point, presumably irrelevant)
 * имав копано - I had dug (at some indefinite point, presumably irrelevant)
 * сум имал копано - it is said/it seems that I have dug (at some indefinite point, presumably irrelevant)
 * ќе имам копано - I will have dug (at some indefinite point, presumably irrelevant)
 * ќе сум имал копано - it is said/it seems that I will have dug (at some indefinite point, presumably irrelevant)

I don't know how to explain the meanings or usages of these forms very well because I've learned them from exposure to the language and not according to rules, so I don't really understand them theoretically. Anyway, any rules that do exist for them are hardly reliable and there are many nuances and exceptions to consider. If you want to discuss this further, ask, but I think it's not important, because Wiktionary doesn't provide grammar lessons, as far I gather, so as long as we provide the bare forms, users can deal with them in any way they see fit, based on information from elsewhere (that's why there are other Wiki pages, such as Wikipedia - maybe I should even go and enter some information on such pages, e.g. on your conjugation page).

Anyway, I don't think that we have to include all of these "има" forms, since they are basically derived by conjugating "има" in different tenses. Furthermore, they are not that commonly used. If you want, though, you can enter them according to the list I provided above.

I don't know what you mean by "беше" forms - that's just the pluperfect (бев + л-participle) which we already have there. There are two forms in the table, but for any verb, only one is real and the other is just hypothetical, due to the nature of the aspect system. Since our templates distinguish aspect now, they always provide the correct one.