Thread:User talk:CodeCat/Macedonian Reflexive Verbs/reply (4)

In Macedonian, just about any transitive verb can have a reflexive meaning, but I have not been entering all such verbs. I have been entering only those that are either inherently reflexive, i.e. lack non-reflexive forms (or have non-reflexive forms with hardly related meanings), those that are translated in English with a separate verb or some alternative construction, and those that are especially common. I think that they you deserve a separate category either way, at least the inherent ones.

On that note, "се кае" is an inherent reflexive verb and there is no such thing as "кае" Do you propose that we create a page for "кае" nonetheless, as a hypothetical form, so we can build "се кае" onto it, in a way? I don't think that's very desirable. I think that this would work for only for those verbs that have non-reflexive forms too. Either way I think we should maintain separate entries for the reflexive verbs even in some of these cases, based on the criteria I mentioned above. Thus, I vote for the creation of Category:Macedonian reflexive verbs, to be activated by the { { mk-verb } } parameter. Never mind the head|mk|verb one - I'll replace all of those when I get to them and start adding aspect pairs and conjugations on all verbs. Then, all will have { { mk-verb } }.

P.S. I want to emphasize something about the Macedonian "reflexive" verbs - they are actually a collection of 6 different types of verbs: reflexive, reciprocal, anticausative, autocausative, impersonal and inherent. They are only united by the fact that they are all marked with the reflexive pronoun "се". For an elaboration on this, look at the Wikipedia page on reflexive verbs. Anyway, of these six categories, the first, second and fifth are merely specific meanings of transitive verbs, as you suggested initially, and are thus rarely worth adding as separate terms. However, the anticausative, autocausative and above all inherent are more specific in nature and deserve to be highlighted individually. What do you think about this?