Thread:User talk:TheDaveRoss/Administrator keeps vandalising my page

Hi, I'll just copy this discussion from the IRC, explains everything. [18:04] == UtherPendrogn [58a857e4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.168.87.228] has joined #wikimedia-stewards [18:04]  Hi [18:04]  I'd like to report an administrator who keeps vandalising my pages for shallow reasons. [18:04]  Not even justifiable reasons either. [18:06]  UtherPendrogn: what project and what administrator ? [18:06]  Reconstruction:Proto-Brythonic [18:06]  Which he has no authority or knowledge about. [18:06]  https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Brythonic/ber [18:06]  > [18:06]  Page he keeps deleting [18:06]  ? [18:07]  Brought it up on his talk page and he started insulting me. [18:09]  I see no insults on the talk page, I see an administrator correcting errors with factual content, and you arguing. [18:12]  No, no factual content. [18:12]  The line about "no Goidelic words by definition" is just plain wrong, and he insulted me just like Chuck Entz. [18:13]  I can see no insult, could you repeat it here ? [18:13]  You see how much thought they put into it, Chuck Entz even said he'd "delete it on sight". He seems like an awful administrator, and has dozens of complaints on his talk page. [18:14] <UtherPendrogn> "You seriously need to learn something about historical Celtic linguistics before you keep making pages for protoforms that never existed." [18:14] <UtherPendrogn> "if I had seen the entry first, this would have been on my talk page because I would have deleted it on sight. I did warn you (three weeks ago) about getting the details right so people don't have to pick up after you. Also, it's not "your" page and no one has to consult you about it- this is a wiki, and no one "owns" anything." [18:14] <UtherPendrogn> That "warning" was because I put ONE word in the wrong category. [18:14] <UtherPendrogn> A relevant category too. [18:15] <NotASpy> that's not insulting, it's an administrator correcting an error you've made [18:16] <UtherPendrogn> No it's not, it's an insult. [18:16] <UtherPendrogn> "You seriously need to learn something about historical Celtic linguistics before you keep making pages for protoforms that never existed." [18:16] <UtherPendrogn> The protoform exists, and he's challenging and insulting me. [18:16] <NotASpy> that is not an insult. If the protoform exists, you'll need to produce evidence that it does so. [18:17] <@StewardBot> 2003:70:4F2A:7D00:31A4:8F30:9349:26EF edited Steward requests/Permissions https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/?diff=prev&oldid=15892645 [18:17] <UtherPendrogn> I provided my evidence. Twice. [18:17] <@StewardBot> 2003:70:4F2A:7D00:31A4:8F30:9349:26EF edited Steward requests/Permissions https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/?diff=prev&oldid=15892647 [18:17] <@StewardBot> 2003:70:4F2A:7D00:31A4:8F30:9349:26EF edited Steward requests/Permissions https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/?diff=prev&oldid=15892648 [18:17] <UtherPendrogn> I gave the Proto-Celtic ancestor, and several descendants, which he has said are false on grounds that are false. [18:17] <UtherPendrogn> And yes, it is an insutl. [18:17] <UtherPendrogn> insult* [18:18] <NotASpy> it's not an insult, nobody will be taking any action based on those comments. I see no evidence on the thread, perhaps it was on the deleted page which I can't see. Could you link the evidence you provided so we can see it here. [18:19] <NotASpy> the best we can do here right now is to assist you in resolving this argument. [18:20] <UtherPendrogn> I'll create it on my userpage. [18:21] <UtherPendrogn> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:UtherPendrogn/ber [18:21] <UtherPendrogn> He also repeatedly claimed the header and verb inflection table were "Proto-Celtic", when they were actually Proto-Brythonic. [18:22] <UtherPendrogn> And then he berated me for using an "inflection table", when HE HIMSELF used the same exact table (except with Proto-Celtic conjugation rather than Proto-Brythonic) on Proto-Celtic verbs. [18:22] <UtherPendrogn> A decision he made himself, and which received overwhelming abstain votes rather than support. [18:22] <UtherPendrogn> The code proves it sure enough, it's a proto-brythonic verb template. [18:23] <UtherPendrogn> So all he's said are lies upon lies. [18:23] <NotASpy> is there a source or reference though ? [18:23] <UtherPendrogn> Oh yes, University of Wales [18:23] <UtherPendrogn> Sorry, that got cut off in the copy and paste [18:24] <UtherPendrogn> Rectified. [18:24] <UtherPendrogn> The University of Wales Proto-Celtic dictionary gives the verb bere/o, which stays on as ber in Proto-Brythonic. [18:24] <UtherPendrogn> On wikitionary the verb is shown as ber, without the "e/o", for some reason. Or now bereti, now that he's done his weird changes. [18:25] <@StewardBot> Stemoc edited Steward requests/Permissions https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/?diff=prev&oldid=15892661 with the following comment: Reverted changes by 2003:70:4F2A:7D00:31A4:8F30:9349:26EF (talk) to last version by Aschmidt [18:25] <UtherPendrogn> TUoWPC dictionary is used by other members such as Anglom. [18:25] <UtherPendrogn> It's definitely a valid source. [18:26] <@StewardBot> Bulgu edited Steward requests/Username changes https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/?diff=prev&oldid=15892665 [18:27] == comets [~james@wikimedia/Cometstyles] has quit [Quit: Z-Lined] [18:28] <UtherPendrogn> http://www.wales.ac.uk/resources/documents/research/celticlanguages/englishprotocelticwordlist.pdf you can find the verb bere/o here [18:28] == Savh [~Savh@wikimedia/Savh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] [18:29] <NotASpy> just looking at it now [18:29] <UtherPendrogn> Thanks. It's listed as "carry", but it also means to be and to bear. [18:31] <NotASpy> all I can advise you to do, first of all, is to return to the talk page, linking in the TUoWPC dictionary URL and asking Angr to review the source content. [18:32] <UtherPendrogn> But that's not the point of contention, he never denied the etymology. [18:34] <UtherPendrogn> His "reason" was that Proto-Brythonic words can't have Goidelic descendants. [18:34] <UtherPendrogn> I proved him wrong, as they can. [18:34] <UtherPendrogn> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Irish_terms_derived_from_Proto-Brythonic https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Scottish_Gaelic_terms_derived_from_Proto-Brythonic [18:36] <NotASpy> you need to have this discussion with Angr or Chuck first, very few of us here are administrators on the English Wiktionary site, and the Stewards can only intervene when extensive attempts to resolve disputes have been resolved. [18:37] <UtherPendrogn> He does not seem to want to discuss it anymore. [18:37] == Linedwell [d96d07a3@wikipedia/Linedwell] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] [18:37] <UtherPendrogn> He has not responded to my disproving that Goidelic words cannot be descendants. [18:40] == defender01 [~kvirc@wikimedia/Defender] has joined #wikimedia-stewards [18:41] <NotASpy> you can contact another administrator by using this list (please don't contact all at once - maybe one or two at most) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop [18:41] <UtherPendrogn> Thanks. [18:41] <UtherPendrogn> Mind if I copy and paste this conversation, rather than risk saying something wrong while reexplaining? [18:41] <UtherPendrogn> I find I explained it best in this conversation. [18:43] <NotASpy> I'm happy for you to quote me, yes.